FFXIV Free BOT Class Changer and info on Fisher and Crafter

[xivhelper]

The stated issue is that I fixed the timing on the very first (6 months ago) crafting bot to work. I also came up with the fishing bots timing to work. This took place when we were all working on getting a crafter and fisher working while Moetoy came up with the ahk UI. The bots were working way before the design of the UI because I made them work. When Moetoy Locked the working Crafter and started selling our creation as his own, I did the same. HI have kept the crafter and fisher working, and fixed them whrn the patch broke them.
To say they are "my old version is incorrect" I should be thanking you for the UI or you thanking me for the timing setup.

We made this one together.

I dont see why I have to do this
Chat log with moetoy
me:
i thank you for crafting understanding and im glad i could help with fishing
11:18 AM Moe: np ^^ I like your idea of putting products and testimonial on sidebar, can I change my web like yours lol
me: is ok, and thank you, just no posting in forums or my video please
Moe: my side bar is too messy and don't have much good info
11:19 AM me: lots of respect for moe toy
fawk mmopal
Moe: haha I know that thank you for share your product too i'm happy that I can help you have extra income ^^
11:20 AM me: ok, back to work
Moe: /cheer
me: /wave
Moe: ttyl

Hi Allen,
Some of my user request that too. So I think I might implement it soon ( I'm kind of busy now and can't make it yet )
But I think I'll not sell it, maybe just include it in mega pack.
Also, I think I'll make class changer from ground up and I'll not copy your design oh and one more thing,
I think I have to wait until patch 1.18 release so I can see what they change about skill of each class too.

For me, I don't think mining bot is a big deal because it can't auto walk from node to the node and it's not good enough lol..
It's okay if you can find some way to do better mining bot than mine and sell it ^^ it's your intellectual property tho.

I know you might feel bad about me, but we are in same business, right?
Our duty is to deliver our best product possible to our customers

/cheer
Gan

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Best Regards,
Moetoy Admin


So I don't understand what Moetoy is trying to do.
Sells are down all around from the free bots being offered now.

[Moetoy]

Allen,
I think you are misunderstand something. By helping me by gave some advice, it doesn't mean that all of the code in the project is yours. Ok, let dig in the detail of your suggestion I found in my web's forum

This is the quote from my forum;

Open for bot suggestion.
by moetoyadmin » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:45 pm

If you guys have any good idea to suggest me to add into my bot function. Please post here!
I'll try my best to do it ( if it is possible to program )

Many many thanks!

Ok, I just open for idea about fishing bot. The propose is to improve it for everyone good.

Re: Open for bot suggestion.
by mark allen » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:20 pm

fish bot
so this script needs to start at 600 jig, then add 400 add 400 add 400 to hit all the points of the sweet spots,
the first 2 spots are 11 o-clock 1 o-clock when you first feel a nibble so a 50% catch rate.
if you don't catch on first jig,
the sweet spots change to 10 at SleepInterval 200, 11 at SleepInterval600, 12 at SleepInterval 900, 1 at SleepInterval 1300, 2 at SleepInterval 1700 o-clocks
since you hit 11 o-clock already, the only others to get to are 10, 12, 1 and 2
you get a total of 4 gigs.
so by skipping 10 0-clock, you would have an 80% change to catch,
i fixed the part from 250 to 400
if ( StartInterval < 1800 ) {
SleepInterval := SleepInterval + 400
} else {
SleepInterval := SleepInterval - 400
but i need the start to be 600 and not random,

Random, SleepInterval, 560,600
StartInterval := SleepInterval
this fix gives a sweet spot fishing bot with 80% catch
still cant get the
} else {
SplashTextOn, 200,100, info, Found Tired.gif - do same interval
}
to work though
any help would be great

This is your suggestion, ok, I thank you for your help.

still working on it.
seems fish are different patterns of where they get tired.
box turtles grade 3 seem to get tired at right half.
still cant get the tired.gif to be even looked for.
question, should this:
} else {
SplashTextOn, 200,100, info, Found Tired.gif - do same interval
BE THIS?
} else {
SplashTextOn, 200,100, info, Found Tired.gif - do same SleepInterval
or
} else {
SplashTextOn, 200,100, info, Found Tired.gif - SleepInterval := SleepInterval - 0
and my final timing fix is this
Random, SleepInterval, 520,540
if ( StartInterval < 1800 ) {
SleepInterval := SleepInterval + 385

The one in bold+underline is the recommendation for interval. and it work fine, ok I must thank you for that too.

After that, the other guy suggest new bot logic. And this is the fundamental of my new bot algorithm until now. So... I have to pay him for his idea also?

Re: Open for bot suggestion.
by vividos » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:57 pm

A thought about the fishing bot:

When manual fishing I find that unless I am in fatigue (not surplus) i will 95% of the time reel in the fish when i get a bite by following this:
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KEY
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[0--10---35--50--70---90]

1) 1st Jig : @ [50%]
2) 2nd Jig:
A) if message was "The fish has tired, but you still cannot reel it in."
then: Hit at exact same spot [50%]
B) If the above message doesn't happen, then there is just the normal "You have hooked soemthing but can't reel it in". Jig @ [35%]

3) 3rd Jig
A) if message was "The fish has tired, but you still cannot reel it in."
then: Hit at exact same spot [35%]
B) if message was "You take in some line" {GOING THE RIGHT WAY}
then: goto Step 4
C) if message was "The fish is taking line" {GOING THE WRONG WAY}
then: goto Step 5

4) 4th Jig (Right way)
Jig @ [10%] one of 2 things will happen:
A) You will reel in the fish
B) You will get the message The fish has tired, but you still cannot reel it in."
then: Hit at exact same spot [10%] (You WILL reel in the fish this time)

5) 4th Jig (Wrong way)
Jig @ [70%] one of 3 things will happen:
A) You will reel in the fish
B) You will get the message The fish has tired, but you still cannot reel it in."
then: Hit at exact same spot [10%] (You WILL reel in the fish this time)
C) You will get the message "You take in some line"
then: goto Step 6

6) 5th jig (Last Jig)
Jig @ [90%] one of 3 things will happen:
A) You will reel in the fish
B) You will get the message The fish has tired, but you still cannot reel it in."
then: Hit at exact same spot [10%] (You WILL reel in the fish this time IF you have enough remainder for another jig)
C) You will lose the fish (Not enough remainder left. If you can't make this 5th jig, then you need to:

* Increase your Fishing Level
* Increase your Dex
* Wear maximum "Gathering"
* Repair your gear
* Eat "Gathering" food (Cooked Vegie Dishes)
* Change to a lower Grade of water
* Target a Lower Rank fish

(13) Spinach Saute
Ice: 23 Mnd: 28/29

(15) Jack-o'-lantern
Ice: 25 Mnd: 31/32

(16) Roasted Nopales
Ice: 26 Mnd: 32/33

(35) Sauerkraut
Ice: 45 Mnd: 57/58

(45) Tomato Pie
Ice: 55 Mnd: 70/71

This NEWEST (1.20) version DOES cover the 5 zones for reeling in fish. At 50 Fishing, with fairly maxed gear in Grade 5 waters (Riversmeet @ Cor River ...has Northern Pike, Crimson Crayfish, Velodnya Carp, and Yugra'am Salmon....a cooking/Alch dream spot!) the current Algorythem does well, at just over 80% catch rate. I never lose a fish due to not having enough remainder to reel one in. I _AM_ loosing catches on the rare occasion (likely when i have a Velodnya +3 or 2+ or more of em on the line) when i hit the spot they are at and get the "The fish has tired, but you still cannot reel it in.". The current setup simply moves to the next spot in line. I have some AHK background and know its possible to make for these messages and have the scrip make 'smart' decisions. I personally don't know how to do it though.

As a suggestion, if its possible to somehow check for the message you get and adjust the delay to match the above noted 'path' then I would suggest most people would see a significantly higher catch rate. (At least not lose fish to hitting the spot but then not hitting that exact spot again cause it needs a little more). This suggestion, however, might not be worth the time involved to do it. 80%+ sucess rate is pretty good. Its maintained that now in a variety of grade 5 waters as a test for over 3 hours now. I would dare say that if my suggestions are possible that this would turn into 90%+ for me and my setup.

(As a quick side-note to setup: Something other fishers can learn from this post...if you can't go 5 jigs and reel in a fish, then you likely need to adjust the previously mentioned criteria (level, gear, stats, food etc) to be able to do so (or lower your grade and target fish). Once you can jig 5x and catch a fish, then i'm sure this current version (1.20) will net you a above 80% catch rate too.

After that you never suggest anything about fishing bot again...
So... this is YOUR work? by just suggest some value but who do all the programming part and main algorithm that it use to check and make decision when to start or stop fishing?

You?.... No, sir.. all of the core code was developed by ME!

Still more.
Ok, you post in another thread about the fishing location. Yeah, it's a good info, I have to thank you for that too.

After that, you PM me and asked for the UI crafter that I start to sell in my website for 14.99$ and you told me that you'll pay me that money after you got a salary. Oh! where's that money I wonder? You never pay me for the thing that need to pay! Here's the PM log.

the new UI crafter
Sent: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:56 pm
From: mark allen
To: moetoyadmin

i would like to try your new UI Crafter and give feedback if you would like to let me try it, i will donate the 15$ when i have it, email is

Re: the new UI crafter
Sent: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:35 am
by moetoyadmin

^^ send!
thx for yr comments so far

the new UI crafter
Sent: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:56 pm
by mark allen

i would like to try your new UI Crafter and give feedback if you would like to let me try it, i will donate the 15$ when i have it, email is

I never got it from you.. never.

Still more.. and you still act like an idiot by try to be premium member even you don't pay a penny ( but you got the bot, doh! )

still not working
Sent: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:06 pm
From: mark allen
To: moetoyadmin

but am i a premium member? i will still donate as soon as my ebay sells go through
i have the craft 1.43. and fish 1.01a

Re: still not working
Sent: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:23 pm
by moetoyadmin

^^; I appreciate your help so far and I think the craft bot 1.43a is very stable version to use
I can wait until you sell your stuff on ebay then you can donate some to me so I can send you my current craft bot and fishing bot

/cheer!

still not working
Sent: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:06 pm
by mark allen

but am i a premium member? i will still donate as soon as my ebay sells go through
i have the craft 1.43. and fish 1.01a

You know, you got my commercial bot for free, you don't pay a penny, you try to steal more of my work, you never give me a credit of your bot that selling on web, you never told me anything about you are goin to sell my bot on your web.

Lastly, you try to mock me again by just beg for mining bot source code?

allen dickinson to me
show details Jul 8
do you have the harvester as a program that can be edited? i can use personally and see about fixing?
then get you info?

DO YOU THINK I'M A IDIOT? ( well... maybe )

You know, Allen, you made big mistake by talking to me and let me know your web. If you keep it low-profile. I might not see it and do like this.

As you remembered, You told me your web on Jun 29,2011. At first I visit your web and saw your products... I know at that moment that all of your products is MY WORK.

But why I keep it for almost 1 month? Well, at first, I'm lazy to do anything about you and I just want to let you sell my old bots without any discredit.

But you know why I start to reveal for everyone? Here's the reason.
1) When I created and posted "Face/Hair Swapper" in youtube. You try to sell your bot IN MY YOUTUBE COMMENT!!!!. Well, it's very very bad habit to do that. and I won't forgive you for this.
2) You try to mock me by asking for mining bot source code...
3) You try to promote your rip-off bot in other people topic ( lucid )
4) When I check your website to see how the bot look like, and I found the exact screenshot of my bot on your website... that's the last straw for me.

So that's all the story. I hope I can clear you up and I just want to let you know that, giving some other an advice, it's not mean that all the stuffs is yours.

But here's the deal, I don't care about my old and obsolete bot that you selling. But please.... pretty please... try UPDATE THEM! You just try to fooled people around with some promise that it will update soon... BUT WHEN?

You get paid by many people... that fall for your rip off product. So make them worth their money.

Modify it so it will get better and better everyday. So when I check back your website I can see the other bot that totally different than my old one and have some good feature for that money people pay for you.

I can't change the past, so this is my bad experience for my first time selling something "Opensource" on internet. But never again.

We made this one together.

I dont see why I have to do this
Chat log with moetoy
me:
i thank you for crafting understanding and im glad i could help with fishing
11:18 AM Moe: np ^^ I like your idea of putting products and testimonial on sidebar, can I change my web like yours lol
me: is ok, and thank you, just no posting in forums or my video please
Moe: my side bar is too messy and don't have much good info
11:19 AM me: lots of respect for moe toy
fawk mmopal
Moe: haha I know that thank you for share your product too i'm happy that I can help you have extra income ^^
11:20 AM me: ok, back to work
Moe: /cheer
me: /wave
Moe: ttyl

WHAT? YOU BLAME ME THAT I STEAL YOUR IDEA OF TESTIMONIAL ON SIDEBAR? DID I ASKED YOUR PERMISSION FOR THAT?

This is the mail that you send me before the below message,

Do you have any plans to make a class changer?
I will not be making harvester.
If you want to agree to not copy, I would like you to use the class changer personally.
What do you think?

Hi Allen,
Some of my user request that too. So I think I might implement it soon ( I'm kind of busy now and can't make it yet )
But I think I'll not sell it, maybe just include it in mega pack.
Also, I think I'll make class changer from ground up and I'll not copy your design oh and one more thing,
I think I have to wait until patch 1.18 release so I can see what they change about skill of each class too.

For me, I don't think mining bot is a big deal because it can't auto walk from node to the node and it's not good enough lol..
It's okay if you can find some way to do better mining bot than mine and sell it ^^ it's your intellectual property tho.

I know you might feel bad about me, but we are in same business, right?
Our duty is to deliver our best product possible to our customers

/cheer
Gan

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Best Regards,
Moetoy Admin

You know why I made class changer? I want you to FEEL that when someone "using" your idea to make other stuff.
And you know why I named it FFXIV Helper? same reason as above.

Hey, but at least I DIDN'T STEAL OTHER PEOPLE SOURCE CODE LIKE YOU DID, I created it from scratch myself and it far better than yours.

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So I don't understand what Moetoy is trying to do.
Sells are down all around from the free bots being offered now.

Sells are down because free bot is far more better than your bot.. don't blame the free bot. blame yourself.

[koji872909]

just wish this thing had a trial version. I'm not a big fan of tossing down money for programs that could, at any time, expire...especially when I can't even try them to see how they work before hand ><

[Fizziks414]

Not sure if im out of line on this but charging for a bot without doing a free public release isnt gonna get you to the top of the lost muchless have more cash in the pocket. between you and moetoy if yall are infact ripping off eachothers code, why try to re-sell as your own ? why not just decompile and compile the bot and release it as cracked full version for free. And then if the **** actually works based on user reviews then ask for a donation like on most other sites. but trying to sell something to users without a free trial or a public release free of charge is iffy and well im gonna toss money out the window when i find out the **** isnt working or have to reconfig alot of **** in the game config. Better yet make a .NET bot thatll work regardless of your current game setup. !!

[xivhelper]

The Code has been re-edited a few times for 1.16 and 1.17b. The fact that you can talk to us as people , I think, changed the "iffy" part of it. I'm not a company just taking peoples money without personally being involved in every transaction. This site isn't the only place to get info on bots, its just one of the first to come up in the search. Our bots work, and while I am not adding all the situational features he is, they do still work. He has a trial version and I give away a class changer. I'm doing some looking into .net but for now autohotkey is still used. The original (free) code is still available here for the 1.0. As always stated, I will give full refund to anyone that thinks my bots don't do what they should. I haven't had to yet. I am just one person doing the updates and sending them out. As for a free version of the fishing or crafting one posted to the public, it was 6 months ago, there isnt a need to re-give it away.

[Fizziks414]

Originally Posted by xivhelper

As for a free version of the fishing or crafting one posted to the public, it was 6 months ago, there isnt a need to re-give it away.

Where can i find the free Fishing one from 6 months ago ? I'd like to check out that one. even if its 6 months old.

[xivhelper]

Originally Posted by Fizziks414

Where can i find the free Fishing one from 6 months ago ? I'd like to check out that one. even if its 6 months old.

It was offered for free then. The code still works now after a few timing tweeks. I'm sorry, the fisher will not be given out for free. It does exactly whats in the video and works.
If i gave you the old one, it would not hit the jig.
I started a new character to do nothing but fish and alch to make shards.
Here are my casual fish ranks







and Alch 25 now.

[styx971]

waiting on my order will see how it works

[xivhelper]

Sent it out as soon as I woke up. Its very easy to start. Pull out your fishing pole, set depth, hit Run. My site has all the fishing info you would need including sweet spots, bait, locations, and what the correct jig spot is per fish. To make it super easy to catch what you are aiming for and still get good SP, I made a helper to either start from the left or right depending on what you are aiming for, with both still hitting the correct spots for kelp or crayfish (the two most common catches for sp) that way if the fish you are aiming for isn't on the line, you will still get a catch.

[styx971]

i've tried the fisher and its worked pretty good not 100% catches but i'm also low lvl and fishing in a cave so is a good possible reason why very good product and nicely automated so you don't have to watch your pc. i haven't tryed the crafter yet but i see no reason for it not to work just as well

[xivhelper]

Rank 1-10
this is everything in grade one that can be caught with chokobo fly for fresh water or floating minnow in sea water.

Brass Loach
Rank: 8
Coral Butterfly
Rank: 11
Crayfish
Rank: 1
Maiden Carp
Rank: 2
Malm Kelp
Rank: 4
Merlthor Goby
Rank: 4
Ocean Cloud
Rank: 6
Pipira
Rank: 6
Rainbow Trout
Rank: 9
Striped Goby
Rank: 4
Tiger Cod
Rank: 3
Tree Toad
Rank: 4
Vongola Clam
Rank: 9
White Coral
Rank: 18


11-20
in grade 2, you might have problems with the higher rank fish
Ala Mhigan Fighting Fish
Rank: 12
Black Eel
Rank: 15
Brass Loach
Rank: 8
Coral Butterfly
Rank: 11
Crayfish
Rank: 1
Maiden Carp
Rank: 2
Malm Kelp
Rank: 4
Pipira
Rank: 6
Razor Clam
Rank: 15
Sandfish
Rank: 18
Sea Cucumber
Rank: 13
Tiger Cod
Rank: 3
Yugr'am Salmon
Rank: 13


20-30
at grade 3 is where you really have to start setting the depth correctly to get the lower rank fish until you are rank 25-35
If you are looking to rank the fastest, always aim for kelp or crayfish.

Bianaq Bream
Rank: 21
Black Ghost
Rank: 23
Black Sole
Rank: 46
Box Turtle
Rank: 29
Crayfish
Rank: 1
Dark Bass
Rank: 21
Hammerhead Shark
Rank: 32
Malm Kelp
Rank: 4
Nautilus
Rank: 26
Ocean Cloud
Rank: 6
Rainbow Trout
Rank: 9
River Crab
Rank: 26
Rothlyt Oyster
Rank: 28
Sea Pickle
Rank: 24
Tiger Cod
Rank: 3
Yugr'am Salmon
Rank: 13

[styx971]

thanks for the list i think its my bait lol i'm using the crummy cheap kind ^^ good way of leveling tho

[xivhelper]

Thanks to everyone that continues to buy my Fish Helper. I'm glad you can see the value of having an autohotkey fisher, and the benefit of catching fish to break down for shards and gil.
Thanks again,
XIV Helper

[xivhelper]

Crafter and Fisher still working correctly, timing is correct and no issues with game what so ever. Still have the Class Changer for free.

[Jdr388]

do these work while minimized?