How well does the Phoenix rotation perform?

I’ve tried three rotations Lunar, PS, and Rice and each seems to have its pros and cons. As a light player who only runs +12 to +15 M+, how is the Phoenix rotation?
I’ve also heard that updates are slow, but the community is so closed off that it’s hard to get any information.

The ones they have updated, are super good. But, as you said, it can take some time for specs to get love, if you're playing a meta spec you should have no problem, off meta might be hit or miss.

They have a 24 hour trial you can use if you have access to an unlocker, ask them about it.

Just my two cents.

what is the ban rate?

I think we can exchange some information. Phoenix is a very good all-class PvE rotation tool. As some friends have said, if you play mainstream classes and specs, Phoenix is definitely top-tier or even number one. However, for some specs, such as Affliction Warlock and Discipline Priest this season, their rotations weren't developed until very late. What I want to ask you is, how is rice? I mainly play Mythic+ and raids, and I'd like to try rice. Please give me some advice.

There’s users reporting that phoenix was able to do rank 1 keys this season, some even in .1% tittle range. But on meta specs only

From everything ive tested, Subtle is pretty clearly rank 1 right now. Its the old Machina project, PS only, and imo sbtl is miles ahead of phx and most other rotations ive tried.

Since youre already in PS youre lucky, getting access seems pretty hard lately. i would definitely try sbtl before spending money anywhere else.

For me the ranking would be sbtl > murloc > phx. murloc was very strong on Tinkr in 2025, but underperformed pretty hard on PS. Seems like they had a hard time adapting to the PS API and eventually kinda gave up on it, while sbtl adapted really well and basically pushed murloc out of PS taking most of the sales. murloc seems to be making a comeback now on unlockers tho and should become better than phx again.

If you do try Phoenix, id only use it with WGG. i tested other unlockers on throwaway accs and even accs i only used for 2h on a dummy ended up closed about a month later. WGG was the only one that passed that test for me.

That said, WGG already had detection issues in China and from what i can see it still doesnt seem fully solved. In my experience this is usually the point where you start watching closely. Either the devs actually care, take it seriously and fix it, which is a good sign, or they dont and eventually the same problems start showing up in the West too. ive seen projects like NN and Demonic go down that exact path before, once China starts getting hit and nothing gets properly fixed it usually doesnt end well.

PS is my main provider until I get ban at least, for now more than 12m going strong. WGG would be my backup, not plan A. Its easy to get in anyway, apply and say youre ready to pay and they will probably invite you same day lol. Feel free to try WGG + phx and compare, but if you already have PS + sbtl i think you will mostly just waste the $100.

Just my experience tho, others might have different results.

Totally awful, dont buy it

generic rotations and its rarley working as their devs dont do anything about it

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Originally Posted by twasfer Totally awful, dont buy it generic rotations and its rarley working as their devs dont do anything about it

Ye, over time phx just got worse and worse, thats why i put it 3rd. i still know people using it tho and they say its pretty good with some meta classes. Also in case you didnt know, the murloc team used to be part of phx before they split and started their own project.

You guys should try Subtle, discord invite: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
Its not as well known as the others, but you might remember Human or Machina had exceptional reviews back in the day. Now with the power of PS they imo made without question the best rotation on the market.

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Originally Posted by beppu Ye, over time phx just got worse and worse, thats why i put it 3rd. i still know people using it tho and they say its pretty good with some meta classes. Also in case you didnt know, the murloc team used to be part of phx before they split and started their own project. You guys should try Subtle, discord invite: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] Its not as well known as the others, but you might remember Human or Machina had exceptional reviews back in the day. Now with the power of PS they imo made without question the best rotation on the market.

why would anyone use PS when its detected every month? lmao

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Originally Posted by twasfer why would anyone use PS when its detected every month? lmao

Im not interested in epvp drama, idk if youre joking or actually serious. I checked your profile and you dont seem a troll, I actually agree with some of your takes.

That said, I dont think thats a fair description of PS. Based on its actual track record, PS has been the safest and most consistently undetected WoW option. You dont have to take my word for it either, anyone can join the Discord I linked and ask users directly about their ban history.

That being said, I appreciate your WGG report. I wasnt aware of the allegations about them collecting/stealing information, and honestly some of it starts to make more sense in context. WGGs owner, Trickstr, has always seemed questionable to me.

They already got detected in CN and are still playing dumb like they have no idea how to fix it. If the same thing hits the West, I dont see them suddenly vibecoding their way out of it either. At that point an exit scam or another rebrand wouldnt surprise me at all. The whole Blackhand drama honestly starts making more sense by the day.

Ill delete all WGG stuff from my PC, reset my Discord password, and keep an eye on devices list. I already noticed a suspicious device from Germany.

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Originally Posted by beppu That said, I dont think thats a fair description of PS. Based on its actual track record, PS has been the safest and most consistently undetected WoW option.

No, it's not. It's a viable option, but it's not the safest and most consistently undetected. Maybe only available to you.

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Originally Posted by beppu Im not interested in epvp drama, idk if youre joking or actually serious. I checked your profile and you dont seem a troll, I actually agree with some of your takes. That said, I dont think thats a fair description of PS. Based on its actual track record, PS has been the safest and most consistently undetected WoW option. You dont have to take my word for it either, anyone can join the Discord I linked and ask users directly about their ban history. That being said, I appreciate your WGG report. I wasnt aware of the allegations about them collecting/stealing information, and honestly some of it starts to make more sense in context. WGGs owner, Trickstr, has always seemed questionable to me. They already got detected in CN and are still playing dumb like they have no idea how to fix it. If the same thing hits the West, I dont see them suddenly vibecoding their way out of it either. At that point an exit scam or another rebrand wouldnt surprise me at all. The whole Blackhand drama honestly starts making more sense by the day. Ill delete all WGG stuff from my PC, reset my Discord password, and keep an eye on devices list. I already noticed a suspicious device from Germany.

PS has had detections just like any other product, and if we are speaking strictly internals injected into the process, PS actually has the worst track record, they didnt go semi-private because of "feeling like it", and last time i checked with the discord group, silvi was tired of being chased by warden having to go down every week. you do realize that most of the time PS goes down randomly it has nothing with a random "server downtime" to do?... and you had detections as latest 2 weeks ago when silvi was "exhausted" on the friday, but said on the monday that she was "on vacation"... youre being straight up lied to. and privatizing and keeping everything behind "closed doors" is a good way to mitigate those lies and excuses coming out into the public.