DMA or external

Hey guys,

I need to decide between DMA and an external solution like PO. Since DMA requires a bit of investment and security is my main focus, which one is better? Isn't the firmware an easier detection vector given that there are many common providers like Captain or Cyber FW from Cyber-ammo?

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Originally Posted by Rockz0rr Hey guys, I need to decide between DMA and an external solution like PO. Since DMA requires a bit of investment and security is my main focus, which one is better? Isn't the firmware an easier detection vector given that there are many common providers like Captain or Cyber FW from Cyber-ammo?

Dma will always be the safer option. And for COD Firmware doesn't matter. You can run any pre flashed one, they don't do any DMA checks and prolly never will. Look BO6 comes in 5 months, they focus on the new game and all what comes with it. I'm pretty sure nothing will happen to DMA in COD. COD won't ban you for a real device in Device manager, see Cronus (thousands of users) shows as Controller and they never permed anyone for it, still works , its been 4 years since WZ. is out.
If i'm wrong in 6 months just send me a DM i'll buy you an PO sub for a month.

This is the COD FORUM so if you interested in playing other games like Apex, Fortnite etc then FW DOES matter, but its not that hard to find good ones. The only popular game where FW is targeted frequently is Valorant but it doesn't matter for us as we play COD.

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Originally Posted by Rockz0rr Hey guys, I need to decide between DMA and an external solution like PO. Since DMA requires a bit of investment and security is my main focus, which one is better? Isn't the firmware an easier detection vector given that there are many common providers like Captain or Cyber FW from Cyber-ammo?

DMA is a really solid choice for Cod atm, firmware's are not on the radar too. Main focus for them right now would probably be tackling all these externals. Would recommend a Be/eac firmware and you are chillin. HMU if you need anything DMA related, everything in stock! :) .

Honestly, I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t go DMA right now. For what you need just to strictly cheat on COD we’re talking $600 or less, slightly more than a cost of a console. There are no checks for it right now, but I’m sure that’ll change. The nice thing about DMA is I can secure my device and emulate it past their checks completely different than the next guy; so a cheat detection is never a fear.

It’s peaceful never having to worry about detection news the same way you do on externals.

Well my point is the fw detection. So there is never a 0 chance to get detected, thats clear. The main question was: is a firmware-detection easy to implement like vanguard does.

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Originally Posted by Rockz0rr Well my point is the fw detection. So there is never a 0 chance to get detected, thats clear. The main question was: is a firmware-detection easy to implement like vanguard does.

In my opinion, if the Anticheat WANTS to target DMA then they could and it will be effective. At the moment they do not do that so the risk is "low". However, would you rather spend $600 for a DMA setup or would you rather go with an External like Synthetic Skill which is a form of cheat they have tried to detect BUT, have never detected. Slotted to 250 and security priority 1, I think in terms of cost and security its a no brainer at the moment.

Like those above mentioned, Ricochet does not currently have anything to combat DMA, but a year a ago many anticheats didn't either. Now you see waves on Rust/Fortnite/Valorant (all using better anticheats to their credit) etc for firmware a lot more frequently.

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Originally Posted by Rockz0rr Well my point is the fw detection. So there is never a 0 chance to get detected, thats clear. The main question was: is a firmware-detection easy to implement like vanguard does.

They can at least put some basic counter measures and probably will in near future but my guess it will be those preflashed fws or very shitty ones, my advice is you get ekknods free multimedia fw and its better than most of so called 1k$ custom 1:1 super duper dragon fire breathing BS scams, EAC hit those so called 1:1 bs emulation scam which costed thousands, while ekknods still safe and good to go, DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON FW, or at least do not spend more than 200$ on fw, this advice comes from someone who recently got scammed, ME lol

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Originally Posted by DariXOne They can at least put some basic counter measures and probably will in near future but my guess it will be those preflashed fws or very shitty ones, my advice is you get ekknods free multimedia fw and its better than most of so called 1k$ custom 1:1 super duper dragon fire breathing BS scams, EAC hit those so called 1:1 bs emulation scam which costed thousands, while ekknods still safe and good to go, DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON FW, or at least do not spend more than 200$ on fw, this advice comes from someone who recently got scammed, ME lol

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External 100%

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Originally Posted by Rockz0rr Well my point is the fw detection. So there is never a 0 chance to get detected, thats clear. The main question was: is a firmware-detection easy to implement like vanguard does.

No, it is not easy. Anyone who tells you it is easy, is a dipshit. The only anticheat that currently stops DMA or detects them regularly is Vanguard. GamerDoc is an outlier though, the kid is a beast, respectfully. Faceit, who I consider the second best, has resorted to blocking entire devices (legal ones included) as they can't differentiate and they have historically gone after DMA.

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Originally Posted by SyntheticSkill In my opinion, if the Anticheat WANTS to target DMA then they could and it will be effective. At the moment they do not do that so the risk is "low". However, would you rather spend $600 for a DMA setup or would you rather go with an External like Synthetic Skill which is a form of cheat they have tried to detect BUT, have never detected. Slotted to 250 and security priority 1, I think in terms of cost and security its a no brainer at the moment. Like those above mentioned, Ricochet does not currently have anything to combat DMA, but a year a ago many anticheats didn't either. Now you see waves on Rust/Fortnite/Valorant (all using better anticheats to their credit) etc for firmware a lot more frequently.

I realize you are trying to make sales, but spewing bs like this is diabolical. Ricochet can want to target DMA all it wants, they don't have the ability to stop even external cheats. Name another title as popular with publicly available cheats that go undetected so long? I'll wait.

EAC proactively targets DMA, and they've made a few FW detections. Mainly on skids who ran config spoofs to hide devices or some other half assed device/vendor ID copy without driver or tlp responses. The publicly available ekknod wifi 2.0, which has been up for months and guaranteed to be on their radar has remained untouched since it dropped, even with the entire source made available. Hmm wonder why. Meanwhile, EAC continues to reck havoc on external cheats including slotted ones. End of the day, a slotted cheat means fuck all, you're still reading/writing on the gaming machine... so you're infinitely easier to detect.


But if you want to be silly OP, go external. It's funny he says once they WANT to detect DMA they will, that same thing actually applies in his case. Synthetic hasn't avoided detection because they're some other worldly cheat. I'd make any wager he'd like that I will remain undetected using my own firmware with very very basic tlp responses than he will with his external non-sense. I mean shit, they haven't even stopped Xim usage my mans, you think they'll make progress with DMA? lmao.

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Originally Posted by svint No, it is not easy. Anyone who tells you it is easy, is a dipshit. The only anticheat that currently stops DMA or detects them regularly is Vanguard. GamerDoc is an outlier though, the kid is a beast, respectfully. Faceit, who I consider the second best, has resorted to blocking entire devices (legal ones included) as they can't differentiate and they have historically gone after DMA. I realize you are trying to make sales, but spewing bs like this is diabolical. Ricochet can want to target DMA all it wants, they don't have the ability to stop even external cheats. Name another title as popular with publicly available cheats that go undetected so long? I'll wait. EAC proactively targets DMA, and they've made a few FW detections. Mainly on skids who ran config spoofs to hide devices or some other half assed device/vendor ID copy without driver or tlp responses. The publicly available ekknod wifi 2.0, which has been up for months and guaranteed to be on their radar has remained untouched since it dropped, even with the entire source made available. Hmm wonder why. Meanwhile, EAC continues to reck havoc on external cheats including slotted ones. End of the day, a slotted cheat means fuck all, you're still reading/writing on the gaming machine... so you're infinitely easier to detect. But if you want to be silly OP, go external. It's funny he says once they WANT to detect DMA they will, that same thing actually applies in his case. Synthetic hasn't avoided detection because they're some other worldly cheat. I'd make any wager he'd like that I will remain undetected using my own firmware with very very basic tlp responses than he will with his external non-sense. I mean shit, they haven't even stopped Xim usage my mans, you think they'll make progress with DMA? lmao.

Gamerdoc didn't write vanguard anticheat or the features that are so useful in detecting dma , so much of the effort goes to nick peterson, really. Also ACE anticheat is also reportedly quite good against DMA. But good note on EAC/BE , something really funny about "private 1:1" fw that are just based on wifi 2.0 code anyways getting flagged and banned feels me with joy, my hope honestly is that every single scammy paid fw eventually goes down.

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Originally Posted by todayta Gamerdoc didn't write vanguard anticheat or the features that are so useful in detecting dma , so much of the effort goes to nick peterson, really. Also ACE anticheat is also reportedly quite good against DMA. But good note on EAC/BE , something really funny about "private 1:1" fw that are just based on wifi 2.0 code anyways getting flagged and banned feels me with joy, my hope honestly is that every single scammy paid fw eventually goes down.

I'm sure Nick is a large part of the effort, but GamerDoc, in my opinion, also significantly contributes to that. It also probably helps he's connected with all of the cheaters themselves, i.e. his and Ekknod's very public friendship.

Ha, yeah a lot of people are now taking what ekknod did and applying it to their own "cfw". Most of these skids are just taking the wifi firmware and editing the vendor/device ID's and getting luck with Xilinix devices that require no TLP communication to driver support. Most of these legal devices just read the bar, require no tlp and call it a day. This is why Faceit is getting fooked.

I heard Ace made some detections, forgot about them. I don't really play anything they support.

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Originally Posted by svint I realize you are trying to make sales, but spewing bs like this is diabolical. Ricochet can want to target DMA all it wants, they don't have the ability to stop even external cheats. Name another title as popular with publicly available cheats that go undetected so long? I'll wait. EAC proactively targets DMA, and they've made a few FW detections. Mainly on skids who ran config spoofs to hide devices or some other half assed device/vendor ID copy without driver or tlp responses. The publicly available ekknod wifi 2.0, which has been up for months and guaranteed to be on their radar has remained untouched since it dropped, even with the entire source made available. Hmm wonder why. Meanwhile, EAC continues to reck havoc on external cheats including slotted ones. End of the day, a slotted cheat means fuck all, you're still reading/writing on the gaming machine... so you're infinitely easier to detect. But if you want to be silly OP, go external. It's funny he says once they WANT to detect DMA they will, that same thing actually applies in his case. Synthetic hasn't avoided detection because they're some other worldly cheat. I'd make any wager he'd like that I will remain undetected using my own firmware with very very basic tlp responses than he will with his external non-sense. I mean shit, they haven't even stopped Xim usage my mans, you think they'll make progress with DMA? lmao.

Ill preface this by stating im not trying to argue with you, I just have a different opinion and that's alright, that does not make what I stated bs.

Underestimating your opponent is a sure path to failure. Ricochet is an Anticheat still in its infancy, since its inception it has Detected every major provider at least once, many multiple times. Its progression over the last two years has been quite impressive, anyone who disagrees with this hasn't worked in this industry very long.

Activision was recently acquired by Microsoft, their resources just multiplied by 100+. Having the mindset "its safe now so don't worry about it" I think is very short sighted.

I used Synthetic Skill as an example because it would have been odd for me to use another providers name, there are many choices. This statement wasn't grounded in trying to get sales, MW3/Warzone is by far my lowest performing product and that's by my own design, i'm not desperate for users and am happy with my small community.

My opinion remains that DMA is safe right now, but it could* be more directly targeted in the future. My point was more so weighing the spending cost, imagine $600 was a large purchase for you, spending all that money just to potentially get banned anyway in 6 months would be a gut punch. I simply stated that cheaper and safe options ($35 a month etc) exist and are in a good place security wise.

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Originally Posted by SyntheticSkill Ill preface this by stating im not trying to argue with you, I just have a different opinion and that's alright, that does not make what I stated bs. Underestimating your opponent is a sure path to failure. Ricochet is an Anticheat still in its infancy, since its inception it has Detected every major provider at least once, many multiple times. Its progression over the last two years has been quite impressive, anyone who disagrees with this hasn't worked in this industry very long. Activision was recently acquired by Microsoft, their resources just multiplied by 100+. Having the mindset "its safe now so don't worry about it" I think is very short sighted. I used Synthetic Skill as an example because it would have been odd for me to use another providers name, there are many choices. This statement wasn't grounded in trying to get sales, MW3/Warzone is by far my lowest performing product and that's by my own design, i'm not desperate for users and am happy with my small community. My opinion remains that DMA is safe right now, but it could* be more directly targeted in the future. My point was more so weighing the spending cost, imagine $600 was a large purchase for you, spending all that money just to potentially get banned anyway in 6 months would be a gut punch. I simply stated that cheaper and safe options ($35 a month etc) exist and are in a good place security wise.

Thank you I catched your point. And thanks to everyone else! My short overview about the DMA fw market or better the wild west will lead me to externals for now. So far case closed (:

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Originally Posted by SyntheticSkill Ill preface this by stating im not trying to argue with you, I just have a different opinion and that's alright, that does not make what I stated bs. Underestimating your opponent is a sure path to failure. Ricochet is an Anticheat still in its infancy, since its inception it has Detected every major provider at least once, many multiple times. Its progression over the last two years has been quite impressive, anyone who disagrees with this hasn't worked in this industry very long. Activision was recently acquired by Microsoft, their resources just multiplied by 100+. Having the mindset "its safe now so don't worry about it" I think is very short sighted. I used Synthetic Skill as an example because it would have been odd for me to use another providers name, there are many choices. This statement wasn't grounded in trying to get sales, MW3/Warzone is by far my lowest performing product and that's by my own design, i'm not desperate for users and am happy with my small community. My opinion remains that DMA is safe right now, but it could* be more directly targeted in the future. My point was more so weighing the spending cost, imagine $600 was a large purchase for you, spending all that money just to potentially get banned anyway in 6 months would be a gut punch. I simply stated that cheaper and safe options ($35 a month etc) exist and are in a good place security wise.

I apologize then, I misunderstood your response and went left field when it wasn't warranted. You are in fact entitled to your own opinion too; I thought you were stating externals were on par and an option in comparison to security for DMA.

I do not disagree on the Microsoft acquisition, as nice as it is, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Given Microsoft's inability themselves to do anything with cheating (enter Halo Infinite when it actually had interest), I'm still not confident, but we'll see.


Glad you sorted it out OP. Good luck with your decision my man.