Hello please bear with me since I know next to nothing about DMA or any programming knowledge either. I am mainly looking to cheat in games like Rainbow, Rust, Tarkov, and maybe some call of duty. I wanted to know if its worth getting into this whole DMA thing. from what I read it's about $1500 just to get all the firmware and equipment, and I'm not confident in making my own since I know next to nothing. And afterwords you still gotta pay monthly for the cheat itself. Is it better to just buy some external or internal cheat that runs on the main system for $80-$90 bucks a month? I know DMA is mainly used for VAL or Faceit and stuff. If someone can enlighten me and give me their truthful opinion on the matter I would greatly appreciate it.
I have a question about DMA is it worth getting?
04/28/2024 09:29
bogieman45#1
04/28/2024 09:48
LoneSurvivor88#2
You can get a dma card for under 200, and all you need after that is a second pc. Dma software products are generally a bit cheaper too.
None of the tarkov dma providers have had detections, so I’d say it’s worth it.
None of the tarkov dma providers have had detections, so I’d say it’s worth it.
04/28/2024 12:03
Neraz1m#3
The information about DMA detection are spread around various parts of different forums including UC.
1-PC cheats can get detected anytime. BE recently detected ABS. Perhaps, they might add proper hypervisor detection tomorrow and stop hypervisor based cheats. But this won't be the case with DMA. At least for the foreseeable future.
When you use a 1-PC cheat, you are risking your lovely account. My friends are on DMA since 2016-17 on BE/EAC games and they aren't banned. Some of them are never banned on VGK/FaceIT.
1-PC cheats can get detected anytime. BE recently detected ABS. Perhaps, they might add proper hypervisor detection tomorrow and stop hypervisor based cheats. But this won't be the case with DMA. At least for the foreseeable future.
When you use a 1-PC cheat, you are risking your lovely account. My friends are on DMA since 2016-17 on BE/EAC games and they aren't banned. Some of them are never banned on VGK/FaceIT.
04/28/2024 17:45
ZSOFTWARE#4
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04/28/2024 19:53
Neraz1m#5
That's false information. You are not only unknowledgeable but also arrogant. All of them are enabled in my system and I can still do DMA. Get the right FW and motherboard and you can still read memory via DMA although all protection features are activated. Actually in most of the mobos that we have encountered, you can do DMA despite all the protection features.Quote:
Meep meep, enforce virtualization on systems that support it. Enjoy your piece of metal
i own a dma card myself, it is good for tarkov at the moment. But in the long run it is going to be the same as normal cheats or be so pricey to do, that it wont be a proper option to do. Which is why i have personally opted out of making dma cheats for selling
If you want to know if you can get forced to plug out your dma card, just search on google if your cpu supports virtualization. I would be very surprised if anyone here on this forum has a cpu that doesnt support virtualization
For anyone interested in this go read up on this: VT-d / AMD-Vi
VT-d / AMD-Vi is made for (but not only) doing secure Direct Memory Access. Guess what, if enabled windows will secure the region of the operating system. Including all the page table entries that windows is using, which is how every DMA card navigates to the right memory regions on your system.
To make this understandable for the average user. Your DMA card has no way of knowing what memory it should access. Which will result in your cheats not working
He is just another guy who just wants to advertise his 1-PC software-based cheat that will keep getting detected at least once a year or so. Ignore him.
04/28/2024 20:02
ZSOFTWARE#6
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04/28/2024 20:22
WavyZ#7
$1500 is a huge price point, way too big.
Going on the market average for a good DMA setup (I'm not exactly highly qualified to speak on a 100% price point) I could get the following:
DMA Card = $100
Fuser = $125
KM Box = $40
Good Second PC = $300
Custom 1:1 FW EAC/BE = $125
OR
Custom 1:1 FW EAC/BE/FACEIT = $275
Rust Cheat = $20 a month
R6 Cheat = $60 a month
EFT = I want to say $70 max? Depends if you want private
COD = $25 a month
So that brings it to:
Bundle (BE/EAC) = $690
Bundle (FaceIT FW) = $840
Then a monthly cost of $175 for all 4 games you stated
Overall brings you just over $1k for first month - but this can be regenerative if you participate in tournaments or boosting services.
Keep in mind all my prices are what I could get it for pre-resell discount, so you could always get it cheaper.
When it comes to COD, it could have the same dtc vectors as some onepc cheese already - shadowbans can still occur no matter if its DMA or not considering half their antishit is based on reports!!! how fun!
Going on the market average for a good DMA setup (I'm not exactly highly qualified to speak on a 100% price point) I could get the following:
DMA Card = $100
Fuser = $125
KM Box = $40
Good Second PC = $300
Custom 1:1 FW EAC/BE = $125
OR
Custom 1:1 FW EAC/BE/FACEIT = $275
Rust Cheat = $20 a month
R6 Cheat = $60 a month
EFT = I want to say $70 max? Depends if you want private
COD = $25 a month
So that brings it to:
Bundle (BE/EAC) = $690
Bundle (FaceIT FW) = $840
Then a monthly cost of $175 for all 4 games you stated
Overall brings you just over $1k for first month - but this can be regenerative if you participate in tournaments or boosting services.
Keep in mind all my prices are what I could get it for pre-resell discount, so you could always get it cheaper.
When it comes to COD, it could have the same dtc vectors as some onepc cheese already - shadowbans can still occur no matter if its DMA or not considering half their antishit is based on reports!!! how fun!
04/28/2024 20:35
chips1337#8
+ $500 (coffee & headache pills)Quote:
Going on the market average for a good DMA setup (I'm not exactly highly qualified to speak on a 100% price point) I could get the following:
DMA Card = $100
Fuser = $125
KM Box = $40
Good Second PC = $300
Custom 1:1 FW EAC/BE = $125
OR
Custom 1:1 FW EAC/BE/FACEIT = $275
Rust Cheat = $20 a month
R6 Cheat = $60 a month
EFT = I want to say $70 max? Depends if you want private
COD = $25 a month
So that brings it to:
Bundle (BE/EAC) = $690
Bundle (FaceIT FW) = $840
Then a monthly cost of $175 for all 4 games you stated
Overall brings you just over $1k for first month - but this can be regenerative if you participate in tournaments or boosting services.
Keep in mind all my prices are what I could get it for pre-resell discount, so you could always get it cheaper.
When it comes to COD, it could have the same dtc vectors as some onepc cheese already - shadowbans can still occur no matter if its DMA or not considering half their antishit is based on reports!!! how fun!
04/28/2024 21:03
Neraz1m#9
I am way more qualified than you ;)Quote:
if you are using specific motherboards and cpu's to do this with, this won't be a proper replacement for 1PC cheats in the future or even right now
You are just another guy that is speaking on stuff, you have no qualification to speak about. Keep misleading people brother
I am just speaking about the facts, this was discussed many places before DMA became a "main stream" thing
You didn't show any proof of VT-d preventing DMA. If you want proof, you can contact other DMA users and FW developers who will provide you with proof. I won't create a video of showing BIOS and Windows settings next to my DMA reads for your amusement.
Then only thing that you shared is some text from some documentation. On paper, vt-d is supposed to prevent DMA but as I said, certain FW or mobos will ignore it.
Yes even faceit/vgk is having trouble with DMA. The only thing you want to achieve with your post is to prevent DMA's success. I pity the people who buy stuff from you as you are misleading them and getting them banned.
04/28/2024 21:09
ZSOFTWARE#10
Okay, look at the picture below. Not that difficult to comprehend. When you understand that picture, that a 4th grader can understand, then please go ahead and convince me that multi billion dollar companies have implemented technology that is probably used at the NSA and it doesn't work :lul:Quote:
You didn't show any proof of VT-d preventing DMA. If you want proof, you can contact other DMA users and FW developers who will provide you with proof. I won't create a video of showing BIOS and Windows settings with DMA reads for your amusement.
Then only thing that you shared is some text from some documentation. On paper, vt-d is supposed to prevent DMA but as I said, certain FW or mobos will ignore it.
Yes even faceit/vgk is having trouble with DMA. The only thing you want to achieve with your post is to prevent DMA's success. I pity the people who buy stuff from you as you are misleading them and getting them banned.
Honestly at this point, it is more likely you are the shiller then me
Again, if you are manipulating firmware on your mobo or fucking with the integrity of any of this. You are most likely opening up for at least a couple of detection vectors. Are you now expecting everyone to risk bricking their mobo with some sketchy as patched firmware to run dma
Btw I am not a expert on this topic, for anyone wondering. I looked into DMA and this is what stopped me from making products for it. But I can promise you, I am way more qualified then this dude that is not proving anything or showing anything to prove his claims
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04/28/2024 21:53
KirbyStore#11
Go with 1pc cheats then , no one force youQuote:
If you think 1.5k for firmware is expensive then dma is not your option ( i know some 5-8k fw also)
And also you wanted cheats for BE/EAC , that’s only around 80$ for safest fw
04/28/2024 23:03
Relentless#12
For the r6 DMA it can be found in my signature.
04/29/2024 01:25
DeprimereShop#13
DMA is a great option but is not required. There are a few products that are for 1PC setups that have been UD for quite some time (e.g., ring-1).Quote:
04/29/2024 02:00
Ducks Services#14
DMA is a solid choice and the buy in price isn't as expensive as one might think. The second PC can be a 160$ N100 pc from amazon, this will work great and features USB 3.2 ports. The card's themselves are around 200$+ with firmware. Also for the comments about just one bios setting will nuke the card, that's an interesting take I wonder why it hasn't been done. You would think VAL would've just implemented this already and walked away right? There are PC's like Alienware's that you don't even have user access to necessary bios settings. I don't see this being a reality at all, specific cards and firmware's can get around those measures too!Quote:
04/29/2024 04:41
bogieman45#15
Okay, that's good news that I overestimated how much it will cost if it's going to be around the 800ish mark. Now I do have some concerns about where would I be able to actually get a good card and custom software. Because from what I read the actual cheat itself isn't the primary thing to get you banned but the software being bad. Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can get a card and software primarily for EAC/BE. Again sorry if I said some incorrect info like I said I know next to nothing so if I made a mistake anywhere please let me know. Also if anyone has a youtube video or a guide of any sort just explaining dma in like 5-year-old vocabulary that would be great lol.