New Players & Darkorbit's Advancement

Hello epvp,

Just before I get started, I will say. This is totally my opinion and more of a rant.


New Players

I always see people complain about how Darkorbit is too hard for new players to become stronger. Mainlythese are people who have accounts in different servers, and are starting new. It's true, that starting a new account or a new game is not easy. It's not just Darkorbit, any game is like this, except games which are entirely PvP orientated, and game items do not cause any advantages (Brawlhalla / CSGO for example).

However, Darkorbit is not like those^ games. It has a Pvp aspect, but does not revolve around it. Manyplayers treat this game as a RPG, just grind to get to a high rank and level. But, can we all just realize how much Bigpoint have made this game easier for new and/or noob players?

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Auction System
Do you recall when you wanted to bid for an iris, you would spend about 100 mil credits. Then at the last minute, be outbid. What a bummer! Yeah, do you also remember, you didn't get those credits back!? This was back when, 99% of the users couldn't solo a cube, and to get credits. You were either doing BK's in x-7 or other NPC's including Invasion gates.

Now, bid however much you want, how little you want. If your outbid, you get all that stuff right back. No risk, just reward. So, you cannot say that its too hard to get stronger equipment.

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Diamond Formation + Aegis
Remember when I said, you used to have to kill BK's in x-7? Of course you remember, if you played back then its all you did. Or run UDO bot (<-- lol 3k/h max maybe haha) Yeah, back then you physically had to circle the bk's for about 3-4 minutes to kill one. If you were an average semi FE player with x1 ammo.

Let's jump forward to now: You can easily bid on an Aegis, depending on the server you play. It can be a free win in the auction, or if you play a more populated server, you can buy it for real cheap in store. Now, an Aegis is easy enough to just sit there, spam your reps and kill npc's. Now let's add in the lovely diamond formation. Forget circling NPC's, that was too skillful, let's just sit there, and sit there... yup. Now you can stay in 1 spot, not die to the npc and move on.

Another way, new players can get stronger with ease. Compared to the old way, where sometimes you would have to spend an hour circling and paying attention to get like 3 mil credits (excluding skylab). Now you can do the same thing, with the least of efforts.

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Double Rewards + GG Benefits
This one you can argue helps more for rank than equipment, but it goes to say that either or, it helps new players progress both physically and statistically (rank/ep).

Flashback to like 2009: The first gate you will ever open is going to be an alpha gate, most likely. You spend about 1 hour to do your first gate. All for 100.000 honor, and like 2m ep I think. Again, all legitmate circling, sending npc's to corners. Not many people bought rebate during these older days, but let's say you did. You were spending 70 uri per gate spin, which is what you also spend today. Nothing changed right?

Back to 2017: Wait, what? It's 55 uri/spin today? Wow, cool. You manage to open some more gates. You buy that 50% ep or honor booster for 1 day. You open that A gate, with the same strength ship as in 2009, you do the gate in like 30 minutes max. Why? Add Diamond/Moth/Pet Kamikaze(not even gonna talk about this shit....bruh) and Aegis of course. You do that same A gate, and get 200k honor and 2 mil ep + your boosters... literally doing the same thing in less time gets you almost triple the reward.

You don't care about your rank? Alright, lets talk equipment. You do your first zeta gate. When it first came out, you did like 15-30 to get all your havocs. On average of course. Now, you can do like less than 10, to get them all. Why? Double rewards baby! Literally saving you millions of uridium! Same goes for herc's. And same goes for those glorious BOOTY KEYS. You can get like flippin(team 10 lol) 50! from 1 zeta now! Includes Epsilon/Kappa LF4 rewards too.

I will agree to this, it is hard to be a new player, and get anywhere close to a high rank. Until, Darkorbit releases the rank reset system. In this case, there is 0 excuse for new players to complain about not being able to ever be general or something.

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Skylab
This feature may seem old to you, but. It was indeed introduced way after darkorbit was released initially. I'm not going into detail on this one, I'm sure you can figure out how this helped.


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I'm not really sure of my purpose to post this tbh. I was just getting fed up with idiots complaining about how this game is too hard for noobs. It's not true.

Look at it from the DEV side. So much has been implemented to help noobier players. All the stuff mentioned above, excluding Kamikaze is going to help already FE/UFE players. It all helps the newer players.

There is no game, which allows for noob players to be as strong as the top players in a game without similar hours. You cannot have a total of 400 hours, and be complaining about how you only have 13 LF4 and 9 drones, and it's too hard for you to get UFE when legit UFE players have 2k+ hours (avg). You will have to grind to get anywhere, this is true for all Games which are not Pure PVP based.

All this is rendered useless if you use DOB for 3 months btw. Kind of a long read, but if you made it to the end. I want your opinions as well, is Bigpoint doing a sufficient job of trying to help newer/noob players out? I want to point out, that it's true. It is still difficult for noobs to be strong in a game like Darkorbit, and Bigpoint can still implement many more features to help them, but my point is, they are trying.

Regards,

Snow

They was doing a really nice work closing the gap between players thanks to the x2 sundays. However, how can a player close that gap now with the new enchanced lf4, the new ships, spartans and so on? That stuff is hard to obtain for UFE, so, for a newbie? its a lot of time, even botting it will take you years.
Appart of this point i fully agree with you and ty for create this thread. (I like discussion threads like this)

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Originally Posted by skeith_sk8 They was doing a really nice work closing the gap between players thanks to the x2 sundays. However, how can a player close that gap now with the new enchanced lf4, the new ships, spartans and so on? That stuff is hard to obtain for UFE, so, for a newbie? its a lot of time, even botting it will take you years. Appart of this point i fully agree with you and ty for create this thread. (I like discussion threads like this)

If you look at the requirements for the enhanced LF4's, you will see the only way to obtain them is to buy URI, or to do those weekly quests. Anyone is capable to do those weekly quests. Moreover, as a game. Darkorbit will obviously evolve. There is not 1 succesful game, which has not introduced new things over time.

Recall when the LF4 was introduced. Everyone was upset, now everyone has them. Just like how the LF3 means nothing now, soon the LF4 will mean nothing when the enchaned LF4's are introduced more. But, unlike the LF3 the LF4 and enhanced aren't too different.

A full LF3 Goli vs a full LF4 goli, is an obv joke. A full enhanced LF4 ship vs a Full LF4 ship... upper hand to the enhanced goli but can still be close.

My argument in my thread is not time. It will take you so many hours for any game to play catch up, that's the whole point of a game. It's the ideology that it is not fair for noob players to play this game now. Just takes time.

Thanks for this post :D I completely agree with you and I also jsut recently came back after a good few years. The game changed ALOT in making it easier to progress with things like cheap gg spins, x2 rewards etc. I was so gassed years back when I managed to grind out my 10 havoks from pallying (30 ish zeta) and now people get them soooo easily+ there was an update after spartans released which mad it EVEN EASIER to get havoks 47.5% and hercs which is 37 I think. It keeps getting easier and easier, even a legit player can get full havoks/lf4 FE without spending in a month tops just spam zeta max 10 then do hades till full lf4, its so simple now compared to how it was before.

Not every people says it's hard. Some people just don't like to grind the stuff, because it is the same shit all over again, the game becomes boring. For example I was okay with everything back in the days, but because I don't enjoy the game anymore, I won't even start a new account, even if it was easy. I have done that too much and it's hard to do it again, when you can play max. 1 hour without getting bored.

I tried to seek new hope for playing the DO from GA1, GE1 and even from dead servers, such as GE4. I could manage myself to semi FE and then I lost my interest. One UFE acc was enough.

The gameplay never changes and the gap between new and UFE player is too big. Honestly, I don't know which is the thing, I consider the 100m credits and losing them in auction more interesting than nowadays DO, the gap was also smaller.

Credits had value, nowadays it doesn't. You need to get every single item with Uridium after you hit the FE, which makes it again boring, unless you pay for bot or for BP. But just because I don't even enjoy the game, I consider the bot as well as money waste. I read about a guy on the DO forums who just stopped playing that garbage just because it became boring.

For me it just seems new players lacks the motivation for playing the game, not that the game was itself hard. You come as a newbie to GE1, ok, the server doesn't work -> rest in peace. You come as a newbie to GA1, everyone is kinda helpful but after sometime of playing, nah, you don't get help that much and playing alone makes it boring. On smaller servers, nobody is interested to help you out, because they care about the rank and other bullshit stuff over there. And grinding alone makes it still boring.

Once you find yourself shooting Kristallons alone, you'd get popped out every now and then and then the motivation could just go off.

Sorry for the messy post, I hope you don't even understand it as it has no point at all.

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Originally Posted by :thonking: Not every people says it's hard. Some people just don't like to grind the stuff, because it is the same shit all over again, the game becomes boring. For example I was okay with everything back in the days, but because I don't enjoy the game anymore, I won't even start a new account, even if it was easy. I have done that too much and it's hard to do it again, when you can play max. 1 hour without getting bored. I tried to seek new hope for playing the DO from GA1, GE1 and even from dead servers, such as GE4. I could manage myself to semi FE and then I lost my interest. One UFE acc was enough. The gameplay never changes and the gap between new and UFE player is too big. Honestly, I don't know which is the thing, I consider the 100m credits and losing them in auction more interesting than nowadays DO, the gap was also smaller. Credits had value, nowadays it doesn't. You need to get every single item with Uridium after you hit the FE, which makes it again boring, unless you pay for bot or for BP. But just because I don't even enjoy the game, I consider the bot as well as money waste. I read about a guy on the DO forums who just stopped playing that garbage just because it became boring. For me it just seems new players lacks the motivation for playing the game, not that the game was itself hard. You come as a newbie to GE1, ok, the server doesn't work -> rest in peace. You come as a newbie to GA1, everyone is kinda helpful but after sometime of playing, nah, you don't get help that much and playing alone makes it boring. On smaller servers, nobody is interested to help you out, because they care about the rank and other bullshit stuff over there. And grinding alone makes it still boring. Once you find yourself shooting Kristallons alone, you'd get popped out every now and then and then the motivation could just go off. Sorry for the messy post, I hope you don't even understand it as it has no point at all.

Totally agree with u man if u play a game for too long it gets boring, same rule applies for DO.

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Originally Posted by KamrulHussen Totally agree with u man if u play a game for too long it gets boring, same rule applies for DO.

Exactly, soon this game will die anyways

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Originally Posted by Snowman- Exactly, soon this game will die anyways

I'm reading this sentence since years, the game is still here, will probably stay and people will keep blaming it.

The best you can do is or bot and play sometime, or find a group of "mates" to play with.
Alone yes, i agree it's boring, just don't make darkorbit as your reason to get up in the mornings :o


Btw nice thread, I see people love to write a lot, for me my comment is already too long ahah

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Originally Posted by Řoβч966 I'm reading this sentence since years, the game is still here, will prpbably stay and people will keep blaming it. The best you can do is or bot and play sometime, or find a group of "mates" to play with. Alone yes, i agree it's boring, just don't make darkorbit as your reason to get up in the mornings :o Btw nice thread, I see people love to write a lot, for me my comment is already too long ahah

Of course it will never die. I don't think any game is truly dead. People are still playing Counter Strike on PSP ---> for real. There will just be a greater decline on each individual server, until it becomes just populated on 3 or 4 servers. Soon 2 servers, just GA and GE.

But for now, hope the server merge will make this game fun. I agree with you though, play with friends. Don't care for rank, just hunt together. And laugh :D

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I want your opinions as well, is Bigpoint doing a sufficient job of trying to help newer/noob players out?

Just seen this and I want to say that I'm "happy" about the recent events/discounts that BP gave for new players, honestly one year ago i'd never thought something like "oh nice, let's make a new account from 0" but now i did it and in 2 months it's semi ufe (with bots and much lack of luck).

Well, without dob i'd take like half year maybe, playing not much... But 90% of the way to build the account is to play in team, spam hades (u'll get lf4) and well, people know how to.

Double gates are OP for new players, those colorful booties are also good for items, you can craft iris [back in time, first the TRADE was blind, now it's very better].

And after this, I'll stop writing for about 1-2 days ahah

I am pretty sure about it if nothing happens, the game will become dead. Either it is just Bigpoint who can't afford anymore to run servers for bots or then it's players who just decides botting isn't worth either when nobody plays.

Play while you can :D

Pray DOB inspires more dev's to make better bots. More bots = cheaper bots

Cheaper bots = more people botting

More ppl botting = More players

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Originally Posted by Snowman- Play while you can :D Pray DOB inspires more dev's to make better bots. More bots = cheaper bots Cheaper bots = more people botting More ppl botting = More players

It doesn't work like that. Human is lazy, if human is lazy to play a game, it will eventually become too lazy to bot a game. And even if there was more players, only few plays because others bot. You need to bot, bot and bot, then play for a while and bot to get the items which comes in the future to not leave yourself behind the others.