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I think this is a very old saying that people keep repeating without really thinking about what they are trying to tell. Someone with good mechanics on different champs and roles can basicaly play every role. The most importand thing is to know when to push, go for objectives, take on teamfights or just farm. All these small decisions that lead to a lose or win are way more importand in my opinion.Quote:
You have to pick a main role, with a main champion. That main champ should be in the meta.
Lol, that guy is gold. I learned the stuff you're mentioning when I already reached master. Manipulating minion waves is probably one of the most irrelevant mechanic in 'low' elo. And so is counting the enemy junglers cs, anticipating his ganks doesnt really play a big role until you reach a high level of jungling.Quote:
Someone can have godlike mechanics on a champ, but if he doesnt understand how to manipulate minion waves, when to play safe/offensive or when to (not) roam he wont get very high.
If you really think about it and give some thought to the game, you see how deep it actually is. I for example even started to count the enemy junglers CS to see how many camps he cleared. That way you can see which jungle routes he is taking to counterjungle his playstyle. It also gives you literally "map hack" if you know how to use this mechanic to your favor. These are all small things that show the difference between diamond and master/challenger players.
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It really is all about mastering a role or at least a champion. I'm a main jungler since S3, yet I climbed from gold 1 to Dia V (and #1 on lolskill EUW) in one season by one-tricking Renekton (back when he was good). I didn't know anything about warding or anticipating where the jungler is, let alone wave-management.
@TE: TL;DR: It really comes down to playing your best role and your best champions. If you really want to climb, one-tricking strong champions is probably the best way. Just check out which champions are good/considered op atm and abuse them.
Also, you can watch streams and youtube videos about ur role to improve.
Check out foxdrop, Dong Huap and LS on youtube. They are really good at teaching/coaching.
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Ya well it's not like it takes months to master meta champs. And sure, getting a deeper level of understanding of the game will help you nomatter what rank you're in. However, speaking out of personal experience, choosing and understanding a strong champion comes first. If you outsmart the enemy jungler or manipulate the wave, yet play your champion on a mediocre level you're not getting very far very soon.Quote:
Do you see a pattern here? With one champ you master you can get pretty far, but each season changes and your champ might fall of the meta so you have to learn a new one...just to be stuck in low elo again for a while until then.
With all the small things i mentioned you actually understand the game, how it works and how you can use the smallest things in your favor to win. Especially in low elo, you can use that experience to absolutely destroy your enemies and smash them so hard they will just give up and tilt in their own team.
Im not saying that i disagree with you. There are sure people who can reach Dia with mechanics only. What im saying is that i would take a guy with good understanding of the game over a one trick riven any day. You can learn new champs and improve after a short time to climb again, but in the end you wont reach your full potential. This "game" is deeper than most people realize.Quote:
Well, I understood your point but I'm not content with that. Gold games are not to be compared with a game of chess. And it always depends on what the guy you're trying to teach already knows. If he is a otp Riven, go ahead and explain him how to win his lane by manipulating minion waves, how to read the enemies junglers moves, how and when to roam or whatever. That surely makes sense. Yet, it's a fact that a huge majority of those who feel like they're stuck in a certain elo have a decent winrate on like 3-4 champions (maybe 60% on 30 games or smth) but also have ranked games with like 113 other champions. That's barely ever gonna work out regarding climbing the ladder.Quote:
The best example i can think of to show you the difference between mechanics and game understanding is Chess.
You can learn which each individual figure does, you know how they work and how to use them. But you only make a move in each turn after thinking for a short time. But you won't be able to beat the best chess players in the world with "mechanics" and understanding how chess figures (champs) work. The best chess players know what you will do 10 turns before you even think of it. They beat you with knowledge, experience and simply outplay you with their strategy.
Now playing against the world Champs in Chess by simply understanding how chess works feels like beating them is impossible right? This logic can also be applied to LoL, even if one lane sucks dick with mechanics. If your team works together and still knows what your enemies will do later in the game you can slowly beat them without them even realizing what happened. In the end they will press the "continue" button on their DEFEAT screen and wonder "how the fuck did we lose this?".