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Originally Posted by fayrouzena
the shadow , why you keep frustrating everyone asking for knowledge and tell them to give up , you didn't give up did you ?? you know stuff that you have no intentions in sharing them with anyone thats fine just stop pushing people back its not the first time i seen you tell someone to better give up , we love the game and if too many of us united to create as bugless server as possible we would be happy to do it , or is it thats what you want ? the less people who figure out how to do it the better ?
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I sure didn't, but wish I did in the end (I am also a dev with decades of experience to start with, not a beginner). Was it worth the 2 years I spent working on all of it? In my opinion, Nope ;p (I did also say what was needed to do the addition of 190's, so wasn't a brushoff, I did say what was needed and did say what to edit and what to use to do so and what the best course of action was for doing it right.)
I did say good luck if he plans on trying, but I have sat here for years answering the same questions with no one ever making progress because its real work (painful time consuming work) that pays nothing. I suggest giving up so they don't have to waste their life on something this broken just to make it playable with minimal bugs (can't actually fix them all, not without source or an emulated server written from scratch), I regret spending all that time that I could have worked on literally anything else and I actually like zo, and most who do spend the time on things like this end up regretting it in the end too.
I have nothing to gain from not having people run servers, I don't run one, I don't compete here, I retired from it, and it is as simple as that. To this day few have wanted to put in the effort in doing whats needed once they get into it, and knowing how much work it involves, I would always advise to not bother burning years of your life trying to fix this when you can make something you own instead without all the flaws and copyright problems, and if your just getting started, this is not the game to learn on.
So if you hate having a life/wife/girlfriend/(boyfriend/husband for the girl devs out there)/or income, then this is the best way to burn 16hours a day with endless frustration and ungrateful users who make you want to quit every day for a couple years then, if that is what you want to do with your life then go for it. That is what it means to fix this game and add to it. There isn't a single easy thing to work on as far as this game goes unless the intent is to steal someone elses work and swap paint textures, otherwise, years of work and headaches and just overall giving up having a life of any kind at all. It will consume every free moment you have. (Can ask idle to confirm that, he's become quite familiar with how much time working on zo consumes just to do every little thing and how much work it really is, he's been dealing with it for quite some time now and it only gets to be more work every time something needs to be fixed or added.)
For the record I have been over time helping those privately who have shown they are willing to put in the work and actually burn their days away working on it. They can choose to teach others if they feel like it, and it is up to them to go public if they want to. No Names will be given.
So yeah, can always ask, will likely get an answer eventually on what to dig into to fix (either me or someone else will likely answer), but most never continue once they see how much of a pain the dats are alone (or how much work is involved with replacing almost every single table in the server is, or feel like learning how to write c# or vb to make the tools needed to actually bulk fix and create content). No one ever gets past that part anyway. So I save time by suggesting giving up if your not ready to give up your days and nights for a couple years.
No one has to take my advice/instruction, or listen to what I say when I say what it takes to fix this or that, but if going that far, why bother asking, not a whole lotta people have the answers for this stuff or have spent the years knowing how much of a pain it is to work on and fix. I simply answered with a real answer (with truth, for that matter at least I even answered) and a warning of what it means to work on it. Anyone considering working on this disaster should be aware of the road ahead, they may not want to waste their time once they see how much work it will be (or that no one will hand them free pre-done fixes).
So yeah, this isn't an argument, just stating my peace on the matter.
Have a good one, and good luck to anyone actually putting in the effort.
(note: Personally I will give advice and direction, but will not give handouts and pre-done work or fixes, answers on what to look into will be given, but I won't hold anyone's hand, if your hand needs to be held to work on this game, this is the wrong game for you to work on. Think of it as a game for advanced devs, not beginners, even moderate dev's would have a hard time with this one. To pull off working this game as a beginner, you would have to be borderline obsessed with zo in an unhealthy way.)