there's no other way to really go at it. I've read through a lot of forums here, and understand a good chunk, but i can clearly see that there are very many people that understand so much more than i do. So basically I'm trying to make that plunge and get in deeper to understand, because right now I'm scratching the surface and at this pace nothing will come from it, ill eventually have to stop and no progress will be made. So what I'm asking is not for hand outs or be spoon fed, because i wont learn that way, but instead just literally someone to talk to bounce ideas off of, just to know if I'm hitting at something or just total misses. So anything will help, a place to start, someone to talk to, even flaming if it points me in the right direction. so thank you!:handsdown: