Lets stop this WPE Pro Crap right now.......

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04/08/2009 13:06 NovaCygni#1

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Hmmmmmmm Is that ZERO Encrytion handling? is that only suitable for MMORPG's using NON-ENCRYPTED Packets? Is that a Totally useless piece of crap that isnt any good for anything....... the answer to all these is Yes... its useless piece of crap that is NOT suitable for MMORPG's because it does NOT have encryption handling!..

Do you really think people would spend 6 months making a Proxy to do this job if there was already a tool to do it?

These Lies about WPE Pro being useable will result in the Ingame account banning of Every person who attempts to use it, a SINGLE attempt WILL result in a Server Triggered BAN - Do you get that? Understand?
WPE Pro + Cabal = You banned!

Any Moderators who wish to continue allowing these malicous and account threatening Lies to continue floating around are ENDANGERING your ingame accounts, Also... I only see one Moderator actually doing anything! if the others arnt even around anymore then I suggest a nice sweet "Bye!" is in order for them!.

Oh so Everyone doesnt misunderstand me on this:
WPE Pro + Cabal = You banned!

04/08/2009 13:10 dlnqt#2

thanks for this information because i was actually thinking of using WPE PRO since other members are promoting it to be a possible hack tool for cabal. thanks alot

04/08/2009 13:15 NovaCygni#3

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Originally Posted by dlnqt

thanks for this information because i was actually thinking of using WPE PRO since other members are promoting it to be a possible hack tool for cabal. thanks alot

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Forums threads LITTER the WPE Pro Forums about how it CANNOT be used for ANY game period that uses Enryption... not just Cabal.. it cannot be used for ANY Encrypted game. Im being INCREDIBLY Patient with the Moderators here by allowing there INCREDIBLY slow responce to Punishing people who spread this malicous information..... Thereyll either Comply completely with the punishing of people trying to get others accounts banned Or I will hold them guilty by Compliance.....

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The only way I think you can crack an encryption is by changing the data in the game repeatedly and try to find the pattern in the packet.

Hence... the need of a Cryptologist to crack the encryption, using information provided by a Reverser whos disassembled the exe's to obtain the information the Cryptologist would need.

04/08/2009 15:16 jimmykaba#4

thnks for the information nova

04/08/2009 15:54 NovaCygni#5

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Originally Posted by jimmykaba

thnks for the information nova

NP im sick of n00bs speaking crap in the forums and putting people who want to learn on the wrong tracks, and the Mods "Allowing" it is something Ive already stated I wont tolerate...

04/08/2009 21:33 NovaCygni#6

Bumpd cause of edit, requires reading -.-

04/08/2009 22:26 chesta_619#7

thanks for info =D

04/09/2009 00:55 -Chrome-#8

First: sticky.
Remove the first quote or I will and stop agitating the Mods and Member.
I will try to investigate in that.

04/12/2009 14:16 InvincibleNoOB#9

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Originally Posted by NovaCygni

Hmmmmmmm Is that ZERO Encrytion handling? is that only suitable for MMORPG's using NON-ENCRYPTED Packets? Is that a Totally useless piece of crap that isnt any good for anything....... the answer to all these is Yes... its useless piece of crap that is NOT suitable for MMORPG's because it does NOT have encryption handling!..

Can you point out a method that would recognize the encryption that is being used inside a packet?
By "encryption handling",I guess you mean decrypting packets.Alright,I assume you know a method that can recognize the encryption used in any encrypted packet,which is quite not possible.How would you decrypt that packet without having the encryption key?

I don't see the point to criticize something if you don't know anything.

04/12/2009 19:01 NovaCygni#10

WARNING THIS REPONCE CONTAINS "MOD" OWNAGE CONTENT:

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

By "encryption handling",I guess you mean decrypting packets

Your comment now means I should prove why your wrong, you have been dealt with lightlly aswell, I do not often tolerate fools...

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

Can you point out a method that would recognize the encryption that is being used inside a packet?
By "encryption handling",I guess you mean decrypting packets.Alright,I assume you know a method that can recognize the encryption used in any encrypted packet,which is quite not possible.How would you decrypt that packet without having the encryption key?

I don't see the point to criticize something if you don't know anything.

And thats where EstSoft make the job easy, the Encryption key AND the IV (* InitializationVector *) are both already in the cabal exe itself, with the second key being worked out from the First packet exchange from the login server...
( :eek: :eek: Did i just say that out loud :eek: :eek: ) (* I am to smooth ;) *)

Also you assume incorrect, there is no magical program that will tell you what packets using what encryption, such a thing would be impossible to make!. Though im shockd you hadnt realised its easy to work out what the Encryption key is when you Dissamble the Exe file for any MMORPG, seeing how the Exe uses the encryption (* Tracebacks in IDA Pro and ollydbg ;) *) allows you to work out the parementers its using, then its a process of narrowing it down to identifiable methods and exchanges (* AES and SSL variations *)
(*Good old fashioned process of elimination *)
Also, this is all assuming im not simply Hooking the Send/Rec functions in the exe, Tracebacking where the Packet is formed in memory before being sent to the Encryption by the exe, and simply Injecting my own packet into the exe at the Point where the exe does the Encrypting :rolleyes:, and thus saving myself the hassle of writing code to do something I can already use the client to do without much editing.

Oh and your comment at the end, you can remove that... Ill save you the ear bashing Id normally give for such impudence.

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Edit - Im bored ill pick on your comments after all xD
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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

By "encryption handling",I guess you mean decrypting packets

Errr no? Wtf? Handling is both the Encryption and Decryption of packets, knowing how to use the Encryption method alone is also useless if you dont know the Encoding mode, HashAlgorithm, Ciphermode, IV and how to obtain the Secret key......... but then im now assuming you didnt know any of of that.... and unlike your assumtion, mine is correct! (* Anyone notice how I love doing this :) Being smug is great :) *)

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

I don't see the point to criticize something if you don't know anything.

I would be thinking your own words kinda apply here.... :rolleyes: :pimp:

(* Oh and if you where trying to bait me into saying the Encryption method used :) Dream on... DREEEEAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM On!!! :) *)

04/12/2009 20:26 InvincibleNoOB#11

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Originally Posted by NovaCygni

the Encryption key is when you Dissamble the Exe file for any MMORPG

I cutted off the bullshit

WpePro is not made specially for Cabal Online,Its an old(as much as you are) sniffer.If you think WpePro will reverse the application it's been attached to then you better stop thinking.

The fact that users get banned by using WpePRO on commercial MMORPGs is very well known.The packets in Silkroad Online,for example,have a CRC byte ,which ensures the server that the packet hasn't been changed.

In addition to what you've said,the actual encryption key is not placed in the exe file.Its being received from the server in the first packets(known as Handshake packets),then its being placed in the memory of the process.

04/12/2009 20:43 NovaCygni#12

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

I cutted off the bullshit

WpePro is not made specially for Cabal Online,Its an old(as much as you are) sniffer.If you think WpePro will reverse the application it's been attached to then you better stop thinking.

The fact that users get banned by using WpePRO on commercial MMORPGs is very well known.The packets in Silkroad Online,for example,have a CRC byte ,which ensures the server that the packet hasn't been changed.

In addition to what you've said,the encryption key is not placed in the exe file,its being received from the server and then placed in the memory of the process.

Did you just copy paste that? Err Im the one whos saying WpePRO cant be used... so what the hell are you on about... you trying to quote the CRC32 system on me? oh please, and your supposed to be some expert when I just even stated myself first

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Encoding mode, HashAlgorithm, Ciphermode, IV and how to obtain the Secret key

Also, CRC32 system isnt a form of Encryption its there to stop accidental alterations in the packets... Its not a Encryption system and thus your "Intelligence" just fell a notch... Please read a "Guide to SSL - For newbies" Tutorial... and come back for round 2 :rolleyes:

Next!

And actually, The "IV" IS found in the exe, EncodedIV + EncodedKey1, Considering encryption algorithm is symetric, being a varient of rijndael (* Gosh did i say that out loud aswell... *), it would be diffrent to the normal XOR Encryption used in other games that your probably used to doing.... The encoded IV and key is used in the very first packet exchange, the Encryption key is obtained from this first exchange of packets and is worked out from Key1 and Key2...

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

I speaked the bullshit

WpePro is not made specially for Cabal Online,Its an old(as much as you are) sniffer.If you think WpePro will reverse the application it's been attached to then you better stop thinking.

You failed hard, Im the one telling people not to use Wpe Cause its useless, try reading threads in future before attempting to flame... btw... you just gave the bunny a lifetime coma!

I love the mature way you also come into a topic, and try Preaching my own speach at me... This thread was made a sticky after I got SICK of the noobs trying to tell people to attempt to use WpePRO to try altering encrypted packets for "Sploits"... as such action would get there ingame accounts banned + wouldnt give any "Sploits"... all you have done is prove your ability to read a thread before posting is limited.. Feel free to attempt to "Pick fault" with the Basics of a packet thread also in this section by me :) or attempt to :) :rolleyes: and I lol that you didnt realise CRC isnt an encryption... its a check!... lol

04/12/2009 22:42 InvincibleNoOB#13

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Originally Posted by NovaCygni

Err Im the one whos saying WpePRO cant be used...

You're not telling it cant be used,you're critizing WpePro ,because it cannot handle packets.
Well,I'd love to see you write a sniffer that actually can handle encryption on any commercial MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by NovaCygni

Its not a Encryption system and thus your "Intelligence" just fell a notch

Please define what "Encryption System" is!
Its called algorithm and I never said CRC has to do something with that.

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Originally Posted by NovaCygni

Please read a "Guide to SSL - For newbies" Tutorial ...I love the mature way you also come into a topic...

Please read "English writing syntax" - your sentences are longer than the text in the bible.

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Originally Posted by NovaCygni

And actually, The "IV" IS found in the exe, EncodedIV + EncodedKey1

Let me quote myself,because you're telling me "You can't read".Obviously you can't do that process either.
"In addition to what you've said,the actual encryption key is not placed in the exe file"

Saying "[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]...Is that a Totally useless piece of crap that isnt any good for anything?......." instead of "Using WpePRO in Cabal online is highly NOT recommended,because..." pictures enough your intelligence.

I'd like to point out that if you modify a quote of me again, you won't like the consequences.

04/12/2009 23:05 NovaCygni#14

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

You're not telling it cant be used,you're critizing WpePro ,because it cannot handle packets.
Well,I'd love to see you write a sniffer that actually can handle encryption on any commercial MMORPG.

And whats that got to do with the fact its useless for Cabal ? Where do I claim to be able to write a Sniffer to do any such thing? Hows does "WPE PRO + CABAL = BAN" come across as "Jeez itz safe 2 use!".... Are you making yourself look silly again? Correct!

I still fail to see the whole point in you even posting in this thread, its a few posts about rubbish that is ended with your trying to tell me what I already stated in the first post and then that I am at fault because WpePRO is useless? So whats your point of being in this thread? to repeat parrot style what ive already stated yet try "Insulting/Correcting" me about something you clearlly fail to understand and is what Ive just stated before you!...

You attempted to look clever stating something that wasnt accurate, if yourd botherd checking the people your freely discrediting, yourd seen Ive experiance in packets and encryption, Go check some of the threads ive created in various sections... you think I would have a Proxy and be able to send my own Packets for diffrent functions yet i dont know about packets? Yeh right... you failed...

Oh... and if you break the T&C with profanities then I can just as easily report you for it if you wish... good bye!

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

Saying "[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]...Is that a Totally useless piece of crap that isnt any good for anything?......." instead of "Using WpePRO in Cabal online is highly NOT recommended,because..." pictures enough your intelligence.

I Care because? The warnings for noobs so I put it in a lanquage thered understand, You clutching at straws here cause I made you look retarded? Hmmmm much!!!

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

"In addition to what you've said,the actual encryption key is not placed in the exe file"

and I lol @ you cause

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Key1 x Key2 = Encryption key - Key1 in exe file, Key2 from first packet exchange with Login server : (Login Handshake)

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Originally Posted by InvincibleNoOB

.If you think WpePro will reverse the application it's been attached to then you better stop thinking.

....... Really? Gosh I R So Suprised Buttsecs pl0x! (* Ive reported your posts as useless/spam, in future READ A THREAD before Posting shit about the Threadstarter that the THREADSTARTER was saying themselves!

04/13/2009 17:50 boo_esb#15

All this accumulated energy is bad. Everyone should relax . And stop flaming! True that you guys are very smart. In your own areas! I have a degree in environmental engineering with a masters in dairy effluent treatment so i kind of bet no one knows so much as me in that area. The forum was made to help people share their knowledge in the matters they so choose. If someone, ANYONE whoever they are start advertising their knowledge and saying others are wrong, just for expressing ill conceived opinions no one will ever learn anything. Then the forum will close!
Im sorry for off -topic (being known for making off topic is not my aspiration) but if i want a flame zone i go watch a soccer match :P
Sorry once again.
Boo

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