i had the same problem (but i didnt use 5bot) if u manually downloaded (not too sure about autopatch) the patch and installed it and ran CO b4 a certain date n time, then it wouldnt work at all, no ninjas would work... i manually patched it and installed it n everythingand nothing worked (if only the site said that when i downloaded it) and i had to dig out an old disk that i burned as a backup and manually repatch everything (i just downloaded a patch pack, with dial - up, that was hell) and everything has been allright up untill the latest patch..... now the windsage is kinda there but he isnt... his sprite is (he IS standing there) and if i try to walk into him, hes still classified as an object/NPC (i cant stand where he is) but whenever my mose moves over him, the name isnt there, whenever i click on him, my guy just moves as close as possible as if i clicked on a wall >.< good 1 TQ>.<