I don't know if the packets etc. are updated it's a good source, but I have got some few problems with it, which took me literally some few days to fix, but it's a really good source. (Hybrids one), but it was the not upgraded one. Anyways I'm sure you can learn something from it, even it's not updated etc. because you have to do it yourself and about Hellmouth it's a good source as well, only the way it's structured is what I don't like. The way things are coded etc. are pretty good and if something is not that good then it can be edited, but the way the attacking/targetting system is working, it's pretty hard to edit etc. Well not hard, but takes long time as you have to edit some things more than one place, but other than that it can be rewritten. If such things, which is mainly due to lazyness of coding would be fixed and the structure changed to some more 'noob friendly', then it would be much better than it is, don't get me wrong, because it's an awesome source and it's the only problems I have seen. Missing things are not problems. I have been using Hellmouth some time ago and I had a fine time working with it, but I changed the structure completely, but it could be a personal opinion as it was not intended to be a public source, but a private one for the server, thus meaning as long the developer can find his way around in it, then it's fine, but as it got public, then a better structure would have been better and help peoples coding in it, because it takes a while to get used to it. If you need any help regarding both sources, then let me know.