The longest e*pvp Thread I [English only]

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Originally Posted by Yusago Gosh, I loved Mirai Nikki. The ending totally blew my mind. Death Note was fine, but in comparison to other anime, I prefer the others. I just never found any character in Death Note I could really relate to. Light was just sort of insane at some point, and L ... too, in a way. I mean it wasn't bad by any means, but Mirai Nikki made me actually relate to all the characters and I could understand why they were doing what they were doing. There wasn't a real "I'm just evil for the sake of being evil"-character in it.

But being considered evil is quite a weird concept. I mean, how are we defining evil? Of course it's going to be based on our education on how we are saying what is evil and what isn't, because each one has a reason for what they are doing. So in my opinion, there isn't really an evil character in anything, just a defined bad guy based on what we perceive.

For Death Note, I just really enjoyed the concept on a reverse-mystery genre. Along with that, I was really interested in the underlying message of the concept of what is good and what is evil.

From what I based it from, Light was trying to be the "good guy" because he was basing it from his child-like views of good and evil, even though it is compared as wrong because it isn't what "good and evil" is actually like. Along with L, as he is just crazy but I just like how he thought and how they would both think to try and out think the other person.

EDIT; Just casually thinking, anime has taught me more on underlying messages than some other things have :<

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Originally Posted by Mister Aiden Arby is awesome :awesome:

Well, no need to brag :rolleyes:. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

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Originally Posted by Arby But being considered evil is quite a weird concept. I mean, how are we defining evil? Of course it's going to be based on our education on how we are saying what is evil and what isn't, because each one has a reason for what they are doing. So in my opinion, there isn't really an evil character in anything, just a defined bad guy based on what we perceive.

I see where you're coming from, but in a lot of modern series, there's always a guy who is supposed to be the "bad one" without ever explaining why he or she does that. Obviously judging whether one's intentions are good or bad depends on our point of view and might be largely subjective, yet - as I said - I had this "oh, this character is what we consider evil just for the sake of being an antagonist"-feeling more than often when watching movies nowadays. Most of them just lack a background or reason for what they're doing, not even speaking of character development.

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Originally Posted by Arby For Death Note, I just really enjoyed the concept on a reverse-mystery genre. Along with that, I was really interested in the underlying message of the concept of what is good and what is evil. From what I based it from, Light was trying to be the "good guy" because he was basing it from his child-like views of good and evil, even though it is compared as wrong because it isn't what "good and evil" is actually like. Along with L, as he is just crazy but I just like how he thought and how they would both think to try and out think the other person.

Well, as I mentioned already, I liked it, without a doubt. It had a very well-made story and was enjoyable to watch. I just never liked the characters to a point where I was like: "NOOOOO, not XYZ!", the way it was in SAO, SNK and several other ones. (Oh god, all dem feels)

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Originally Posted by Arby EDIT; Just casually thinking, anime has taught me more on underlying messages than some other things have :<

It's actually really funny, I have the feeling that anime is far deeper than most of the things we see on our TV regularly. There's not a single series I know which has the depth of most anime I've watched.

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Originally Posted by Arby Research as in? :p Research can be based of numerous things, I mean, you could research commands and such and so forth.

Depends, your fist research would be about basic stuff and when the time has come, you will get to search for more difficult things, how certain aspects are covered when you swap the language and such.

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Originally Posted by Mister Aiden Did you just say "Damn Anime"?!

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Yusago I see where you're coming from, but in a lot of modern series, there's always a guy who is supposed to be the "bad one" without ever explaining why he or she does that. Obviously judging whether one's intentions are good or bad depends on our point of view and might be largely subjective, yet - as I said - I had this "oh, this character is what we consider evil just for the sake of being an antagonist"-feeling more than often when watching movies nowadays. Most of them just lack a background or reason for what they're doing, not even speaking of character development.

Well, I agree with that when it comes to the majority of real life series, but to my experience a lot of the anime do have reasons of why sir bad guy is bad.

But yeah, I do know what you mean when it's "oh he is bad because he is bad" but it's nice reading into why he is truly doing that. But for movies, it can be argued that they don't really have the time to develop that character as much. Of course contradicting myself, anime does it pretty well.

Oh Japan, why are you so good at things :<

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Originally Posted by Yusago Well, as I mentioned already, I liked it, without a doubt. It had a very well-made story and was enjoyable to watch. I just never liked the characters to a point where I was like: "NOOOOO, not XYZ!", the way it was in SAO, SNK and several other ones. (Oh god, all dem feels)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I do feel slightly the same, but I did have lots of dem feels when, well just to refrain from spoiling too much from whoever is reading even though we have talked a lot about this anyway. When the ending happened. I did feel for that character quite a lot, a lot more than usual.

Mainly because of what you experienced with that character, for Death Note, I did feel that the attachment process for characters wasn't the strongest but I just loved everything about that I could just look away from that.

Sadly, I haven't seen some of those anime :o

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Originally Posted by Yusago It's actually really funny, I have the feeling that anime is far deeper than most of the things we see on our TV regularly. There's not a single series I know which has the depth of most anime I've watched.

Exactly. Anime > Majority of everything else
I just like that you can get really in-depth if you want to, but if you just want to enjoy it, you can. It just gives you the experience to go further if you want, whilst enjoying it.

EDIT; Man, this is becoming some wall of text. I haven't done this in a while ;o

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Originally Posted by Mostey Depends, your fist research would be about basic stuff and when the time has come, you will get to search for more difficult things, how certain aspects are covered when you swap the language and such.

I think Mr Mostey will have to become my tutor sooner or later, if that's fine with you ;) Yeah, I guess it would be just searching the basic principals and then going further and further as you go along.

Just like a real language! :o
I just find it difficult to learn certain things in certain ways. Ah well, I'll find a way when I have the time :)

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Originally Posted by Arby I think Mr Mostey will have to become my tutor sooner or later, if that's fine with you ;) Yeah, I guess it would be just searching the basic principals and then going further and further as you go along. Just like a real language! :o I just find it difficult to learn certain things in certain ways. Ah well, I'll find a way when I have the time :)

:mofo:

You can ask me if you got stuck but I won't teach you from the ground up.

... well, Am I the only one who thinks that German phrases actually sound so weird in English? :mad:

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Originally Posted by Mostey Depends, your fist research would be about basic stuff and when the time has come, you will get to search for more difficult things, how certain aspects are covered when you swap the language and such. Yes.

Duh, you're weird to hate anime. :< but Everyone aren't the same.

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Originally Posted by Mostey :mofo: You can ask me if you got stuck but I won't teach you from the ground up. ... well, Am I the only one who thinks that German phrases actually sound so weird in English? :mad:

genau

Homemade fries are the best btw :3

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Originally Posted by Arby Well, I agree with that when it comes to the majority of real life series, but to my experience a lot of the anime do have reasons of why sir bad guy is bad. But yeah, I do know what you mean when it's "oh he is bad because he is bad" but it's nice reading into why he is truly doing that. But for movies, it can be argued that they don't really have the time to develop that character as much. Of course contradicting myself, anime does it pretty well. Oh Japan, why are you so good at things :<

Totally agree, I love finding out more about the supposed "bad guy" in order to understand why he's doing what he does. Don't get me wrong here, my only problem is that most writers do not bother explaining the reasons behind the actions of their characters. That just always bugged me, I mean human beings do everything for a reason, whether it be a tough childhood, a stroke of fate or whatever. Anime seem to do that particularly well, although it could obviously be just my subjective perception. And well, you are sort of right, it is hard to make a character interesting within a certain amount of time and as I said previously, it also takes me a few episodes before I can relate to a character anyway, but the problem isn't really the movies. It's just that I (might be just me, idk) can't really find myself enjoying like most of the series people find on TV, simply because the characters are one-dimensional and boring. Ok, that sounded harsh, there are exceptions, I'm not gonna go the way of hating everything just cause it's not anime (would be ridiculous anyway), but that's honestly how I feel about 95% of the modern entertainment industry. Not to mention all the completely senseless reality shows and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by Arby Yeah, I know what you mean. I do feel slightly the same, but I did have lots of dem feels when, well just to refrain from spoiling too much from whoever is reading even though we have talked a lot about this anyway. When the ending happened. I did feel for that character quite a lot, a lot more than usual. Mainly because of what you experienced with that character, for Death Note, I did feel that the attachment process for characters wasn't the strongest but I just loved everything about that I could just look away from that.

Death Note was the first "real" anime I watched and I can relate to what you said, but others did such an amazing job at characterization that I was actually like "OMFG don't you fucking dare killing that character, writer!". Dunno if I'm explaining it to the point were it's understandable. :o There's just a difference for me in just liking a character cause you know them for the time watching the respective series and actually being able to relate to them and understand problems or even their character as a whole. And Death Note's actually quite a good example for me: Light was one of those characters I got used to, but didn't really start liking for their personality. Obviously these are just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Arby Sadly, I haven't seen some of those anime :o

I can only recommend them, if you've got some spare time, go ahead. You will be glad you did it. :P

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Originally Posted by Arby Exactly. Anime > everything else

Fixed!

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Originally Posted by Arby I just like that you can get really in-depth if you want to, but if you just want to enjoy it, you can. It just gives you the experience to go further if you want, whilst enjoying it.

Yep, I like that, too. I guess you can fanboy the hell out of anything, but the difference is that some things actually do provide a background and others... well, don't, or at least not to the point where you'd be interested if you're not a die-hard fan.

Get ready for the wall of text of mass discussion

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Originally Posted by Mostey :mofo: You can ask me if you got stuck but I won't teach you from the ground up. ... well, Am I the only one who thinks that German phrases actually sound so weird in English? :mad:

Well, thanks. I'll always give a little heads up if I am totally stuck in a part. When I start getting into that subject. And I've heard about the phrases, they can sound quite weird from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Mister Aiden Duh, you're weird to hate anime. :< but Everyone aren't the same.

Well, I personally wouldn't go that far ;o

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Originally Posted by Patato​ Homemade fries are the best btw :3

Hell yeah they are!

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Originally Posted by Yusago Totally agree, I love finding out more about the supposed "bad guy" in order to understand why he's doing what he does. Don't get me wrong here, my only problem is that most writers do not bother explaining the reasons behind the actions of their characters. That just always bugged me, I mean human beings do everything for a reason, whether it be a tough childhood, a stroke of fate or whatever. Anime seem to do that particularly well, although it could obviously be just my subjective perception.

Exactly, I just feel like the writers are always into what they are writing about. I'm not trying to trash RL stuff saying they aren't into it, but I feel like the anime writers give themselves a lot more freedom and give themselves more backstory to write about.
But, of course -the majority of the time- they have already had a lot of that planned, I mean, usually the anime is based on the manga and they always change parts they might not like or not want to add.

It feels they put more heart into actually making it as real life-like(?) as possible, even though it's an anime. It just feels that the attachment is that more worth-while as you can kind of relate to what they are feeling, or at least understand.

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Originally Posted by Yusago And well, you are sort of right, it is hard to make a character interesting within a certain amount of time and as I said previously, it also takes me a few episodes before I can relate to a character anyway, but the problem isn't really the movies. It's just that I (might be just me, idk) can't really find myself enjoying like most of the series people find on TV, simply because the characters are one-dimensional and boring. Ok, that sounded harsh, there are exceptions, I'm not gonna go the way of hating everything just cause it's not anime (would be ridiculous anyway), but that's honestly how I feel about 95% of the modern entertainment industry. Not to mention all the completely senseless reality shows and whatnot.

Yeah, I feel the same. It's quite hard to feel for the character when you don't even know them. I'm going to assume it's the same for the majority of people as well. You can't really feel attached when you have no idea who they are.

It feels like you can be more creative with anime, rather than real life characters. I mean when you are doing anime you can make the character to who you want it to be (like Yuno our good ol' Yandere, or even tsundere characters) and in weird ways, you can really enjoy them characters, on a personality way, even though you would hate them irl. Whereas for RL stuff, you also have to take into consideration of an actor which could make an impact of that person and how you feel for them.

And I agree, I don't hate everything which isn't anime, that would just be silly. There are some good shows out there which I enjoy and I love to watch. I just feel anime has the stronger side, at the current time.

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Originally Posted by Yusago Death Note was the first "real" anime I watched and I can relate to what youa said, but others did such an amazing job at characterization that I was actually like "OMFG don't you fucking dare killing that character, writer!". Dunno if I'm explaining it to the point were it's understandable. :o There's just a difference for me in just liking a character cause you know them for the time watching the respective series and actually being able to relate to them and understand problems or even their character as a whole. And Death Note's actually quite a good example for me: Light was one of those characters I got used to, but didn't really start liking for their personality. Obviously these are just my thoughts.

Same for me, first "proper" anime. I felt that development wasn't it's strongest point and other anime have done it better, but I felt whilst it didn't have the strongest development it excelled in other parts.

I personally enjoyed Light, whilst I didn't like him in the sense of "hey lets be buddies" I liked him as the character he is. Because they were able to deliver that sort of personality really well with him and I could connect with him and actually understand his motives. I personally enjoyed his personality, L was better though.

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Originally Posted by Yusago I can only recommend them, if you've got some spare time, go ahead. You will be glad you did it. :P

I'll probably take that into consideration and watch them when my holidays come up. In 3 weeks or so.

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Originally Posted by Yusago Fixed!

Ah yes, my bad ;)

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Originally Posted by Yusago Yep, I like that, too. I guess you can fanboy the hell out of anything, but the difference is that some things actually do provide a background and others... well, don't, or at least not to the point where you'd be interested if you're not a die-hard fan.

Yeah, it's enjoyable. But I don't think it matters too much, whether you be a die-hard fan or not. Of course it would be nice to have some background you could go into, but too much or too little could hurt it. Well, that differs of course.

Well, not hating but as Naruto as an example, that has loads of episodes, and probably tons of lore. Whereas I'm not a fan of it, it can put you off. I don't want to watch 1,000+ episodes as I feel like you can't keep that attachment any longer. Which is why I enjoy anime which I know will end.

I don't mind short/mid length anime but I can't have it where it's too long. For example, I can watch a 10 episode anime and really enjoy it, or even a 51 episode and love it. But having too many, and it slowly becomes tedious and I lose that attachment. I feel like the development of understanding and feeling for the character and the story are really important (oh no, filler episodes).
Of course, music and art style are just as important, but the former feel more important to me.

Wish i saw the animes you saw so I could join the party (conversation)

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Originally Posted by Arby Yeah, I feel the same. It's quite hard to feel for the character when you don't even know them. I'm going to assume it's the same for the majority of people as well. You can't really feel attached when you have no idea who they are. It feels like you can be more creative with anime, rather than real life characters. I mean when you are doing anime you can make the character to who you want it to be (like Yuno our good ol' Yandere, or even tsundere characters) and in weird ways, you can really enjoy them characters, on a personality way, even though you would hate them irl. Whereas for RL stuff, you also have to take into consideration of an actor which could make an impact of that person and how you feel for them. And I agree, I don't hate everything which isn't anime, that would just be silly. There are some good shows out there which I enjoy and I love to watch. I just feel anime has the stronger side, at the current time. Same for me, first "proper" anime. I felt that development wasn't it's strongest point and other anime have done it better, but I felt whilst it didn't have the strongest development it excelled in other parts. I personally enjoyed Light, whilst I didn't like him in the sense of "hey lets be buddies" I liked him as the character he is. Because they were able to deliver that sort of personality really well with him and I could connect with him and actually understand his motives. I personally enjoyed his personality, L was better though.

Guess we're pretty much on the same page here. :) If I manage to like or hate a character, the writer of those has succeeded (imo), as one was able to make me actually develop feelings for or against the respective fictional personality. I guess that's my no. 1 criteria when it comes to any story.

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Originally Posted by Arby Well, not hating but as Naruto as an example, that has loads of episodes, and probably tons of lore. Whereas I'm not a fan of it, it can put you off. I don't want to watch 1,000+ episodes as I feel like you can't keep that attachment any longer. Which is why I enjoy anime which I know will end.

Same here! I liked to watch One Piece when I was younger, but the massive amount of episodes eventually bored me and I stopped following the series. Same applies to Detective Conan, also very enjoyable at first, but when you've watched 300+ episodes, it just feels like the writers aren't doing it with as wholeheartedly as they had done it at the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Arby I don't mind short/mid length anime but I can't have it where it's too long. For example, I can watch a 10 episode anime and really enjoy it, or even a 51 episode and love it. But having too many, and it slowly becomes tedious and I lose that attachment. I feel like the development of understanding and feeling for the character and the story are really important (oh no, filler episodes).

And yet again, I couldn't agree more. Once they just continue a story just for the sake of making even more money, it gets boring. A nice anime with 10-30 episodes, or even a little more or less, is what I like the most. It seems to give writers a reasonable amount of time to introduce their characters and develop their personalities, whilst not stretching the length of the story unnecessarily.

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Originally Posted by Arby Of course, music and art style are just as important, but the former feel more important to me.

That's something I find myself appreciating a lot lately. Downloaded all OSTs and Openings/Endings of pretty much all animes I've watched. Have to deal with the strange look people are giving me from time to time when they realize what I am listening to, though. :D

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Originally Posted by Yusago And yet again, I couldn't agree more. Once they just continue a story just for the sake of making even more money, it gets boring. A nice anime with 10-30 episodes, or even a little more or less, is what I like the most. It seems to give writers a reasonable amount of time to introduce their characters and develop their personalities, whilst not stretching the length of the story unnecessarily.

Yes! I agree. Even I hate it, for example, Bleach. Fairy Tail is an anime which is long but, the writers seem to make it with heart. It's amazing. Even if there will be 500 episodes, I will still watch it. They fulfill my requirements of anime.

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Originally Posted by Arby Yeah, I feel the same. It's quite hard to feel for the character when you don't even know them. I'm going to assume it's the same for the majority of people as well. You can't really feel attached when you have no idea who they are.

Yesh. That's how you feel when you start seeing a new anime. It's like "Who the fuck is this guy? Why is he doing that? Is he a lightie or darkie? Should I feel happy or sad?!" and so.

I love characters who have a sad but happy ending background. I end up with tears. For example, Fairy Tail's Gray FullBuster. Well, let me write a story about him in my own words. He's my second favorite character in FT. He has no father or mother. He met a magic teacher named Uru. She taught Gray ice molding magic. Uru had two students, one is Gray and the other is Lyon. Both can create anything of Ice. And then, his city got attacked by one of Zeref (He's the villian kinda) demon, Deliorra. Then, Uru used a ice magic to kill Deliorra but her body would break into pieces. Even though Gray tried to stop Uru to use it and say there might be a other way. Uru didn't listen and used it. After using it, she became ice. Lyon didn't knew that Uru became ice. He blamed Gray that Uru died. Gray didn't say a thing since Uru said not to say to Lyon. Actually, Deliorra just froze but a powerful ice. Then, after few years, Gray found the deliorra while he was going for misson. He was very shocked. However, he said that in that Ice, Uru is still alive. That mission's villian used something and melt the ice of deliorra, and they succeeded. Deliorra became alive! But, Gray didn't defeat it. Natsu (Gray's best friend, even though they fight :p) defeated it in two shots. Then, actually, gray started to cry. And omg, I am crying now too, summarizing all this. Seriously, I am crying. Feels so great! Gray then always remembers Uru and becomes angry. I just...... got my heart broken when gray cried. Now, I have to cry for a bit, guys.

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Originally Posted by Mister Aiden Yes! I agree. Even I hate it, for example, Bleach. Fairy Tail is an anime which is long but, the writers seem to make it with heart. It's amazing. Even if there will be 500 episodes, I will still watch it. They fulfill my requirements of anime.

Think I should add that they're not necessarily bad whenever there are a lot of episodes, it just tends to be a lot less story-focused in those cases (due to filler episodes), which I find rather boring for the most part. It's subjective after all, some might enjoy these slice of lifeish episodes.

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Originally Posted by Yusago Think I should add that they're not necessarily bad whenever there are a lot of episodes, it just tends to be a lot less story-focused in those cases (due to filler episodes), which I find rather boring for the most part. It's subjective after all, some might enjoy these slice of lifeish episodes.

Tbh, they're not like that. What do you mean by lifeish episodes?

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Originally Posted by Mister Aiden Tbh, they're not like that. What do you mean by lifeish episodes?

Slice of life is a sort of general style in which a series or episode can be made. It's usually used to describe an everyday-story (something you might have experienced yourself), such as "omg, I can't find my keys!".