[Discussion]Emulation

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Originally Posted by Stratti That's what I told earlier... instead of flaming we could already work together.

@Bold right words in wrong place .

Stop flaming each other .. Disco can infarct / warn all of who flamed

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Originally Posted by Stratti That's what I told earlier... instead of flaming we could already work together.

Sadly, there is no such thing as working togheter here, people who can't code/help do want to work togheter, but the few who can help with something like this don't want to. It's a lost cause


Anyway we were not even flaming, just comparing both our projects ;)

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Originally Posted by Getzabelz Well I don't know about Zelos but I guess it was made in any C variety kind, which agaisnt VB... You know. I don't judge any language, all languages are cool if it's easy for you to use it but what you must think before starting any kind of coding project* is to choose the language that will most fit your needs and requirements. And making something related to a MMO game in VB is just a fail from beginning... And if you code you know it perfectly. Just that, hadn't saw Zelos, but if It was made in VB is as bad as yours (not talking about features). Once both were made in C++ then we could discuss about features and ways to do stuff, exceptions handlings, stability and so on... And about money I just think like you. If you do something that took your time and effort you must give it a value and you have the right to ask for money if anybody can be able to pay. World is bussiness, I call that being smart, not greedy.

I learned C and c++ when i was study (5 years ago) and i just don't like it, except that i felt that it will takes thousand years to archieve something in C , i needed something "faster to code with" so i have decided for rapid development language(VB6) because i love this language from the times when i worked on Sremu.Also when i have started my own coding sro things wasn't so simple like now.

I choosed VB6 mostly for control arrays and because i had expirience with it. Also i've never planed that i will go with my project so far, later it was too late to swich (too many things has been done).

Also you should't compare software only by language i think you have enought expirience to compare results of work.

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Originally Posted by Shifty* Impossible to actually start on something while we have mr.paxfag bullshitting about his fail emulator all over the place. The reason he choose to code it in VB is because it was the easiest to learn, so he doesn't have brain enough to learn any c language.

I am not preventing anyone from creating a emu, currently it's much simpler to make your own emu than in the past. Could you shut up and atlast stop this offtop.
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About emulation itself, soon i will show first screens from the new part of SSE "Silkroad fighters"(temporary name). Silkroad Fighters will contain deep gameplay changes, that will be rpg/rts game. Currently i cant say much more about this , but i hope that everyone will like it :)

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Originally Posted by paxemuman About emulation itself, soon i will show first screens from the new part of SSE "Silkroad fighters"(temporary name). Silkroad Fighters will contain deep gameplay changes, that will be rpg/rts game. Currently i cant say much more about this , but i hope that everyone will like it :)

emulation is perfect .\
@ Pax

Pax prevent other peoples from coding emu xD:

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Originally Posted by paxemuman I learned C and c++ when i was study (5 years ago) and i just don't like it, except that i felt that it will takes thousand years to archieve something in C , i needed something "faster to code with" so i have decided for rapid development language(VB6) because i love this language from the times when i worked on Sremu.Also when i have started my own coding sro things wasn't so simple like now. I choosed VB6 mostly for control arrays and because i had expirience with it. Also i've never planed that i will go with my project so far, later it was too late to swich (too many things has been done). Also you should't compare software only by language i think you have enought expirience to compare results of work. I am not preventing anyone from creating a emu, currently it's much simpler to make your own emu than in the past. Could you shut up and atlast stop this offtop. 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx About emulation itself, soon i will show first screens from the new part of SSE "Silkroad fighters"(temporary name). Silkroad Fighters will contain deep gameplay changes, that will be rpg/rts game. Currently i cant say much more about this , but i hope that everyone will like it :)

Yea, It's okay mate, as I said the only reason that would explain you using VB for an emulator is that you feel comfortable using it and is more intuitive for you, I don't see anything bad on it.

Just pointed that if you really want to make an emulator you know perfectly VB just won't work. As a hobby/personal project to improve your knowledge is perfect, but you can't barely fight any arguments since It's made in VB we know the bad stuff It brings..

So is not a critic at all, I make lots of projects in PHP since I feel very comfortable with the language althought knowing It sucks for a real development. But is easier to code in all aspects... But I know that if I have to make a real website project, a good one I would never use PHP, to use JSF+Spring+Hibernate+JPA instead, this is an example of what I was meaning about you.

It's in general advicable that you take a language that you are good in, and that you like. But most people will agree with me, VB6 is not the 'ideal' language to code an emulator in, it is old, slow, and it was even ditched by microsoft. Nor is it a good idea to create anything related to heavy networking with vb6, a much better alternative would be the .net variant (vb.net) or a more advanced unmanaged language such as delphi or c/c++ (even though it's probably better to create one in .net/java if your c++ skills are only 'ok' and your java/.net ones are 'good')

Anyway this is a useless discussion, we all know that nobody is going to start an open source project for this, because they can't earn money with it. And people who can make something like are smart enough that it's not the time for emulators anymore, unless you can make a 100% functional one within the year, it might be economically viable. But yeah, it took pax 4 years to create his SSE crap, and we all know that's never going to be fully working. Even finishing grindroad or zelos would still take around a year with a decent team, unfortunatly

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Originally Posted by Getzabelz Just pointed that if you really want to make an emulator you know perfectly VB just won't work. As a hobby/personal project to improve your knowledge is perfect, but you can't barely fight any arguments since It's made in VB we know the bad stuff It brings..

I have proven that it works in a small scale(~500 clients), it's easy to judge language when you didn't code in it many years. Also i have never thinked about it will handle more, that wasn't the target. Remember it's home development, i don't have team of coders, thats a second reason why i want to do small sro emulator, and thats why i choosed vb6, except this i never thinked i will go so far with it. Also last thing is i am computer technician not a proffesional programmer.

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Originally Posted by Nezekan It's in general advicable that you take a language that you are good in, and that you like. But most people will agree with me, VB6 is not the 'ideal' language to code an emulator in, it is old, slow, and it was even ditched by microsoft. Nor is it a good idea to create anything related to heavy networking with vb6, a much better alternative would be the .net variant (vb.net) or a more advanced unmanaged language such as delphi or c/c++ (even though it's probably better to create one in .net/java if your c++ skills are only 'ok' and your java/.net ones are 'good') Anyway this is a useless discussion, we all know that nobody is going to start an open source project for this, because they can't earn money with it. And people who can make something like are smart enough that it's not the time for emulators anymore, unless you can make a 100% functional one within the year, it might be economically viable. But yeah, it took pax 4 years to create his SSE crap, and we all know that's never going to be fully working. Even finishing grindroad or zelos would still take around a year with a decent team, unfortunatly

You keep bulshitting , its sad i see still same Lame shit on Sro scene sience years. Anyway i don't care about this. I am only one who goes so far with emulator(except ufonose which are better programmer than me, because he made it in C) and i have still many ideas for better sro.

You and most of your friends has no invention, no ideas, and you are too lazy to archieve anything, thats a reason why i have no competition in emulation, not because i am best coder because i am not. Best what you can do it's open another Vsro server or flaming on me.
My plan its save great game and i will do my best to make better version of silkroad. Moreover i will success with it someday because of my hard work, because of passion and because i never gave up on anything. I dont have to handle 5.000 peoples and i dont have to make full working copy of sro, it's not possible and not needed because we have already Vsro files. I will focus myself on innovation,that's what most of you can't do because you see only money behind sro. Coding it's my passion , i love creation and i love to code in vb6 and i feel its enought for me, it doesn't matter how many peoples will blame me for this.

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Originally Posted by paxemuman You keep bulshitting , its sad i see still same Lame shit on Sro scene sience years. Anyway i don't care about this. I am only one who goes so far with emulator(except ufonose which are better programmer than me, because he made it in C) and i have still many ideas for better sro. You and most of your friends has no invention, no ideas, and you are too lazy to archieve anything, thats a reason why i have no competition in emulation, not because i am best coder because i am not. Best what you can do it's open another Vsro server or flaming on me.

Btw,once you start saying something nice,why you had to ruin it?..
Nobody is keep bullshitting as you say,but you are the only one here who's doing that..Yeah,your emu might be stable,whatever,but you were kept saying how Zelos sucked,and it was a total failure,what did you expect?
You wanted people to like you for that?Omg,seriously..Zelos was a hundred times better than your emu.
I respected you for not giving up,but if I were you,I'd surely have rewritten the whole stuff to some c-based language,cause vb6 is probably the worst(well,not looking at brainfuck and all those shits) option to use for any MMO emulator..
Right now you're flaming,and "keep bullshitting" here,so if you don't want to make yourself look even worse than you look now after all these posts about how Zelos sucked,your emu is the best,you're the only one capable of doing anything here and stuffs like that..seriously,if you're keep saying all these stuffs,don't expect people to like you,omg.

(Yeah,now you're gonna say that I'm flaming & hating you again,but it's not fucking true,but you just can't take any criticism,you should finally accept the facts instead of arguing about everything,and making yourself look like a total fool.)

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Originally Posted by paxemuman I have proven that it works in a small scale(~500 clients), it's easy to judge language when you didn't code in it many years. Also i have never thinked about it will handle more, that wasn't the target. Remember it's home development, i don't have team of coders, thats a second reason why i want to do small sro emulator, and thats why i choosed vb6, except this i never thinked i will go so far with it. Also last thing is i am computer technician not a proffesional programmer. You keep bulshitting , its sad i see still same Lame shit on Sro scene sience years. Anyway i don't care about this. I am only one who goes so far with emulator(except ufonose which are better programmer than me, because he made it in C) and i have still many ideas for better sro. You and most of your friends has no invention, no ideas, and you are too lazy to archieve anything, thats a reason why i have no competition in emulation, not because i am best coder because i am not. Best what you can do it's open another Vsro server or flaming on me. My plan its save great game and i will do my best to make better version of silkroad. Moreover i will success with it someday because of my hard work, because of passion and because i never gave up on anything. I dont have to handle 5.000 peoples and i dont have to make full working copy of sro, it's not possible and not needed because we have already Vsro files. I will focus myself on innovation,that's what most of you can't do because you see only money behind sro. Coding it's my passion , i love creation and i love to code in vb6 and i feel its enought for me, it doesn't matter how many peoples will blame me for this.

To be fairly honest I don't think your vb6 emulator will save anything or anyone. It has the stability of a wooden pc.

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Originally Posted by vorosmihaly Btw,once you start saying something nice,why you had to ruin it?.. Nobody is keep bullshitting as you say,but you are the only one here who's doing that..Yeah,your emu might be stable,whatever,but you were kept saying how Zelos sucked,and it was a total failure,what did you expect? You wanted people to like you for that?Omg,seriously..Zelos was a hundred times better than your emu. I respected you for not giving up,but if I were you,I'd surely have rewritten the whole stuff to some c-based language,cause vb6 is probably the worst(well,not looking at brainfuck and all those shits) option to use for any MMO emulator.. Right now you're flaming,and "keep bullshitting" here,so if you don't want to make yourself look even worse than you look now after all these posts about how Zelos sucked,your emu is the best,you're the only one capable of doing anything here and stuffs like that..seriously,if you're keep saying all these stuffs,don't expect people to like you,omg. (Yeah,now you're gonna say that I'm flaming & hating you again,but it's not fucking true,but you just can't take any criticism,you should finally accept the facts instead of arguing about everything,and making yourself look like a total fool.)

I came here to talk about emulation , you came here to talk how bad is sse. You keep telling with your friends that my emulator is a total garbage and Zelos were best and you keep trying to create Fake reality like always, when it's known that Zelos failed terrible, he doesnt even out of open beta. I am arguing when you are bulshitting. And i was forced to remain how it's looks like , because many peoples who will read this thread should know the true , not a false reality what you have promoted with nazekan. I have nothing against Zelos and i dont give a shit he failed or not, but zelos failed and its a fact you should say the truth instead of glorify it as a better emulator.

I know some peoples doesn't like me , but dont think that those 4 peoples who is giving you thanks its a whole community, peoples mostly wont talk in that threads, they reading.

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Originally Posted by paxemuman I came here to talk about emulation , you came here to talk how bad is sse. You keep telling with your friends that my emulator is a total garbage and Zelos were best and you keep trying to create Fake reality like always, when it's known that Zelos failed terrible, he doesnt even out of open beta. I am arguing when you are bulshitting thats a difference. And i was forced to remain how it's looks like , because many peoples who will read this thread should know the true , not a false reality what you have promoted with nazekan. I have nothing against Zelos and i dont give a shit he failed or not, but zelos failed and its a fact you should say the truth instead of glorify it as a better emulator.

Omg,I didn't come here to talk about how bad your emu is.
You're the one who's trying to create a fake reality of your emu compared to Zelos..As far as I've seen it doesn't worth arguing with you,cause you're keep acting like a fucking kid,you seriously cannot take any criticism at all..
Yeah,Zelos went down,but it doesn't mean it failed.It even had a collision detection system,which I'm pretty sure you don't have any you will probably never have one...Seriously,that's it,I'm done with you,I'm not gonna argue with a kid.

Owh,and I don't really care about the community,I'm telling my own opinion,and the facts.

I recommend you the Private-Message-System..

OT: Emulatores are totally bullshit.. Now, a few years ago and in the future for sure..

I am reading this thread since the beginning.
Why you guys can't hold a normal conversation with each other.
Some dislike an emulator, of course. But this is not a reason to insult the people who have another opinion about this.

Indeed this topic is worth a discussion,
but it will only work if you all behave and argue formal without any piece of provocation and flame.

This is the last warning to all.

From now on any post which contains harassment and/or provocation towards other member will get infracted. There won't be exceptions because a person is very popular here and has contributed alot to the community !

Have fun discussing !

thanks disco :)

and my other question -- is it true time to start to code a new emu?