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04/05/2014 20:44 shoukan1#10081
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I just downloaded tiny7, league of legends, NHC4, installed dotnet 4, and this is what I get when I run NHC4:

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04/05/2014 21:23 Mist Gold#10082
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Originally Posted by h3rpderp View Post
some guys here will tell you to go intel, but i don't think it's worth it. i got an 8350+motherboard that can run 18 bots for $305, while if you want to run 24 bots on intel you'll be spending $500-$650 for cpu+mobo combo. i've also read that AMD is better than intel for running a bunch of multi-threaded programs at the same time, while intel is better at more single thread programs, like AutoCAD. i wish i had an fx-9590 for a direct comparison with the 4770k because it's quite possible that the 9590 could perform better for botting, but from what i've seen everyone on here either uses 8350's or i7's

Lets talk about energy :)

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This is not allowing the creation of games:

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It should off after 30 secs LoL ;d
04/05/2014 21:58 nhcoohrh#10083
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Originally Posted by L2Ambrosia View Post
Yeap the price per month of a dedicate like this is about 1,8$

Nhc , may u tell me a configuration of a pc that you think I can open as much as vm's ? :)
I want to rent a server for 2$ lol

even if its just to put a webpage :D
04/05/2014 22:00 rezerff#10084
hey nhc I added you on skype.
04/05/2014 22:04 nhcoohrh#10085
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Originally Posted by h3rpderp View Post
some guys here will tell you to go intel, but i don't think it's worth it. i got an 8350+motherboard that can run 18 bots for $305, while if you want to run 24 bots on intel you'll be spending $500-$650 for cpu+mobo combo. i've also read that AMD is better than intel for running a bunch of multi-threaded programs at the same time, while intel is better at more single thread programs, like AutoCAD. i wish i had an fx-9590 for a direct comparison with the 4770k because it's quite possible that the 9590 could perform better for botting, but from what i've seen everyone on here either uses 8350's or i7's
well mate I don't know if you talk just by theory or if you even tried to run some PC with vmware workstation and bots...

But the results are simple.. AMD FX8350 it's a crap. overheat, lot of energy spent, you need a big cooler. And even that it's bellow the performance of an I7 (2600k,3700k,4700k) any family.

What you should know it's that I7 in theory can handle 22 vms (back on the days were you played with only 1 bot and not group of 6) and FX 8350 18 vms goes with a lot of "effort".

THe family AMD 9XXX I don't know but I don't expect big things from it. Xeon e3 makes the same 18 vms and saves you a lot of power :p

But in the end if you dont have much money to invest I understand people that goes with AMD... but if you have money to invest.. I just say dont be stupid go with Intel.. Someday you dont wanna BOT but you still want to have a decent pc to other stuff.

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Originally Posted by D3luxe. View Post
tiny7: google.
I use 500MB RAM per Tiny7 VM and it runs stable. But you need a SSD to do this.
I thought you use Lolbandit and not NHC bot :p

I've been running 60 vms of win7 tiny, the CPU load its basically the same as normal Win7, the only difference its the RAM, you can run 400mb with good SSD, but I run 512MB to be fair..

Yes you need the trick to solve the problem of shared folders and the activate bat but after that all goes fine without game crash (that i notice) what is good.
04/05/2014 22:14 CrazyGamerNetwork#10086
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Originally Posted by nhcoohrh View Post
well mate I don't know if you talk just by theory or if you even tried to run some PC with vmware workstation and bots...

But the results are simple.. AMD FX8350 it's a crap. overheat, lot of energy spent, you need a big cooler. And even that it's bellow the performance of an I7 (2600k,3700k,4700k) any family.

What you should know it's that I7 in theory can handle 22 vms (back on the days were you played with only 1 bot and not group of 6) and FX 8350 18 vms goes with a lot of "effort".

THe family AMD 9XXX I don't know but I don't expect big things from it. Xeon e3 makes the same 18 vms and saves you a lot of power :p

But in the end if you dont have much money to invest I understand people that goes with AMD... but if you have money to invest.. I just say dont be stupid go with Intel.. Someday you dont wanna BOT but you still want to have a decent pc to other stuff.



I thought you use Lolbandit and not NHC bot :p

I've been running 60 vms of win7 tiny, the CPU load its basically the same as normal Win7, the only difference its the RAM, you can run 400mb with good SSD, but I run 512MB to be fair..

Yes you need the trick to solve the problem of shared folders and the activate bat but after that all goes fine without game crash (that i notice) what is good.
I have to disagree, sure Intel does better, but you are paying extra money for it.

When you compare PRICE for PERFORMANCE AMD kicks Intel to the side.

As for cooling, I don't know why people have huge issues with it, just get a proper case.
04/05/2014 22:37 nhcoohrh#10087
maybe I have much money to spend hehe.. but I prefer to pay extra and get a better product... Than buy cheap and get a product that just works...

In germany the you pay 0,26€ KWH, maybe other countries it's cheap and you can just "ignore" the electricity costs .

Yes to run 18 VMS the price/performance of AMD could be better ofc.

But maybe with intel one day I can achieve 24 vms.. something that with AMD I doubt..
04/05/2014 22:42 CrazyGamerNetwork#10088
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Originally Posted by nhcoohrh View Post
maybe I have much money to spend hehe.. but I prefer to pay extra and get a better product... Than buy cheap and get a product that just works...

In germany the you pay 0,26€ KWH, maybe other countries it's cheap and you can just "ignore" the electricity costs .

Yes to run 18 VMS the price/performance of AMD could be better ofc.

But maybe with intel one day I can achieve 24 vms.. something that with AMD I doubt..
I can run more VMS with a $200 AMD CPU than I can with a $300+ Intel CPU -- PRICE for PERFORMANCE.

.26 euro/.36 usd per kwh is pretty high.. I pay .09 usd per kwh
04/05/2014 22:47 lowbit#10089
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Originally Posted by shoukan1 View Post
Read the FAQ in the first page.
I knew I saw that pic somewhere, I was searching through last 10 pages of this topic and couldn't find it ^^

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Originally Posted by nhcoohrh View Post
I've been running 60 vms of win7 tiny, the CPU load its basically the same as normal Win7, the only difference its the RAM, you can run 400mb with good SSD, but I run 512MB to be fair..

Yes you need the trick to solve the problem of shared folders and the activate bat but after that all goes fine without game crash (that i notice) what is good.
I am on 840pro ssd, and 400mb ram seems enough, what difference does it make if I set 2 cores for one cpu instead of just one ?
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btw here is my bat that fixes that shared folder problem:
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START Z:\
taskkill /f /im explorer.exe
start NHC4.exe
start notepad.exe
exit
04/05/2014 23:17 nhcoohrh#10090
why 2 vCPU? its just 1 vCPU mate.

your bat... don't start notepad.exe that is just dumb lol.. don't know why its there to be honest....

I don't use that bat to be honest.

I create a bat just with "START Z:" put in the startup folder, and then put the shortcut of NHC4.exe also in the startup folder.

So when the VMs starts he launchs the bot.
04/05/2014 23:39 shoukan1#10091
2 CPU increases performance. For not so good computers it's decent. It's not necessary if you have a top computer, though.
04/05/2014 23:44 h3rpderp#10092
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Originally Posted by nhcoohrh View Post
maybe I have much money to spend hehe.. but I prefer to pay extra and get a better product... Than buy cheap and get a product that just works...

In germany the you pay 0,26€ KWH, maybe other countries it's cheap and you can just "ignore" the electricity costs .

Yes to run 18 VMS the price/performance of AMD could be better ofc.

But maybe with intel one day I can achieve 24 vms.. something that with AMD I doubt..
in the U.S. in my state it's only ~.07€/.096usd per kWh, so taking the country into account is quite necessary i suppose.... anyways, where i'm at it's worth buying the amd because you'll be paying around $225 more for an intel system and only 6 more bots running. let's talk about energy costs though. it costs 19cents/day to run a 4770k(84W), 34cents/day to run a 8350(160W), both at full load. that turns out to be $54 difference per year. that means you would have to run an 8350 for around 4 years straight before you would find that you actually saved money by buying the 4770k in terms of energy costs. on the other hand, if you are paying .26€ per kWh in germany, that's 175€ per year difference between 8350 and 4770k, so that would only take 1 year of 24/7 use to make up for the up-front costs.... tl;dr energy costs are more negligible in the states, but they could make a significant difference in amd vs intel if you're in europe and running bots 24/7
04/05/2014 23:46 CrazyGamerNetwork#10093
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Originally Posted by nhcoohrh View Post
maybe I have much money to spend hehe.. but I prefer to pay extra and get a better product... Than buy cheap and get a product that just works...

In germany the you pay 0,26€ KWH, maybe other countries it's cheap and you can just "ignore" the electricity costs .

Yes to run 18 VMS the price/performance of AMD could be better ofc.

But maybe with intel one day I can achieve 24 vms.. something that with AMD I doubt..
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Originally Posted by h3rpderp View Post
in the U.S. in my state it's only ~.07€/.096usd per kWh, so taking the country into account is quite necessary i suppose.... anyways, where i'm at it's worth buying the amd because you'll be paying around $225 more for an intel system and only 6 more bots running. let's talk about energy costs though. it costs 19cents/day to run a 4770k(84W), 34cents/day to run a 8350(160W), both at full load. that turns out to be $54 difference per year. that means you would have to run an 8350 for around 4 years straight before you would find that you actually saved money by buying the 4770k in terms of energy costs. on the other hand, if you are paying .26€ per kWh in germany, that's 175€ per year difference between 8350 and 4770k, so that would only take 1 year of 24/7 use to make up for the up-front costs.... tl;dr energy costs are more negligible in the states, but they could make a significant difference in amd vs intel if you're in europe and running bots 24/7
And of course bots are never actually running 24/7 with updates/patches/downtime/ISP issues etc. and who knows if you will actually be doing this a year, 6 months, or even a month later.

AMD FTW.

EDIT: Also, if you do your taxes like you should be for any earnings, energy costs is a tax write off since it is a expense.
04/06/2014 00:20 nhcoohrh#10094
So conclusion AMD may worth if you have cheap energy, if not what you save in power its the difference of price between the two systems.. and you get a better PC in the end if you go with Intel.

That's why I just buy Intel, Xeon are even better in saving energy, also buy good PSU also could save you some money.

When I buy a PC I think this PC will run at least 2 years... so that 2 years of saving energy worth the initial investment..

But again in the end doesn't matter each person go with what he wants and have money to.

I have a philosophy if I have the money I buy the better, even if the price/ratio its worst.
04/06/2014 00:25 jozix12#10095
for 1-30 coop should i change the max level to 30? or what?