[Unofficial] World Of Warcraft Combat Pixel Bot Reviews

08/27/2022 16:37 tamedbeast#76
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Originally Posted by OmnipotentPlayer View Post
Hey mate, I'm new to the scene and I wanted to ask, what's the best place to learn about the differences in what an unlocker is vs what a pixel bot is. Also in your opinion which is the best PvP bot/rotation service/services for farming/doing bg's and for rated arena's.

Atm from what I've seen, I'm looking at GMR for BG farming, and then still learning and looking for the best Arena bot/rotations is. Also would love Xy's opinion on this as I know he favors GGL but also would like his opinion overall wise.
Unlocker uses protected functions vs. Pixel uses public functions via API.

Unlockers are better for rotations because of access to protected functions but have 100% ban rates in very short periods of time. Pixel bots tend to last several years longer and rarely have bans, if at all for some.

So if you don't mind bans but want the best rotations, get an unlocker; if you want a good pixel rotation, I would suggest one from the list in my reviews.

If you would like someone else opinion on it, I would suggest sending them a private message about it, as it's off topic to this thread.
08/31/2022 23:14 tamedbeast#77
Updated Pixel Rotation bots to reflect WOTLK.
09/10/2022 10:17 RoflLmaoNo#78
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Updated Pixel Rotation bots to reflect WOTLK.
Hey!

Looking for a personalised recommendation from you, if i may?

After having read through the last 6 pages of this thread, you seem to have detailed knowledge of the pixelbot scene. I noticed you didn't add any information regarding 'Healing / Heal Engine' as a 'Pro' for HyperElk which had be doubting whether HyperElk would be any good for healing since it didn't get a "complex engine" Pro note, etc. So I'm just wondering if you'd be able to give me a somewhat tailored recommendation?

I would like a bot for;

- WotLK Classic (Official)
- PvE and PvP (Mainly PvE but both would be fantastic)
- All Roles (Healing/DPS for PvE and DPS for PvP)
- Hard to configure is non-issue (used to multibox for years so troubleshooting WoW software is a daily routine) though simplicity/easy-to-use is always welcome

Also, I would like to thank you for this very informative thread, it's been of great use to learn what the top bots in the market currently are, their strengths, all of your previous informative responses, and other users opinions within this thread.

What I'm looking for in a bot isn't all that detailed so if there's some more specifics you'd want to know before making a recommendation, please do ask as I may be forgetting something!

Thank you ahead of time!
09/10/2022 17:09 tamedbeast#79
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Originally Posted by RoflLmaoNo View Post
Hey!

Looking for a personalised recommendation from you, if i may?

After having read through the last 6 pages of this thread, you seem to have detailed knowledge of the pixelbot scene. I noticed you didn't add any information regarding 'Healing / Heal Engine' as a 'Pro' for HyperElk which had be doubting whether HyperElk would be any good for healing since it didn't get a "complex engine" Pro note, etc. So I'm just wondering if you'd be able to give me a somewhat tailored recommendation?

I would like a bot for;

- WotLK Classic (Official)
- PvE and PvP (Mainly PvE but both would be fantastic)
- All Roles (Healing/DPS for PvE and DPS for PvP)
- Hard to configure is non-issue (used to multibox for years so troubleshooting WoW software is a daily routine) though simplicity/easy-to-use is always welcome

Also, I would like to thank you for this very informative thread, it's been of great use to learn what the top bots in the market currently are, their strengths, all of your previous informative responses, and other users opinions within this thread.

What I'm looking for in a bot isn't all that detailed so if there's some more specifics you'd want to know before making a recommendation, please do ask as I may be forgetting something!

Thank you ahead of time!
Hyper Elk healing logic is written into the individual rotation itself and is customizable at the user level based on what the developer decides is an adjustable variable.

GGL is something like this as well, but there are some heal engine options that are just a lot more variable and complex that is open to the end users.

Overall this doesn't really matter unless you're a developer or you have an extreme understanding of the inner workings of healing and other server-sided complexities.

99 out of 100 users wouldn't know how to use such options GGL offers in their heal engine, so it doesn't really matter.

As for healing and pixel bots, Hyper Elk is the most recommended, not because I think it has the best healing rotations (GGL has better Paid Healing Rotas), but because overall, as a program, it's just a better user experience and constant development not only rotation side (included at no extra cost), it also has core constantly updated with new feature and updates.

If GGL had more active development on QOL features for users, I would likely lean more into using GGL, but as it stands now, it's great, but there is just too much footwork setting it up, and for the average users, it's just not worth it. This might change in the future as there is supposed to be updated before Dragon Flight, which makes it easier to use; when they come out, I will re-evaluate those new changes and update my review according to those changes.
09/11/2022 08:47 RoflLmaoNo#80
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Originally Posted by tamedbeast View Post
Hyper Elk healing logic is written into the individual rotation itself and is customizable at the user level based on what the developer decides is an adjustable variable.

GGL is something like this as well, but there are some heal engine options that are just a lot more variable and complex that is open to the end users.

Overall this doesn't really matter unless you're a developer or you have an extreme understanding of the inner workings of healing and other server-sided complexities.

99 out of 100 users wouldn't know how to use such options GGL offers in their heal engine, so it doesn't really matter.

As for healing and pixel bots, Hyper Elk is the most recommended, not because I think it has the best healing rotations (GGL has better Paid Healing Rotas), but because overall, as a program, it's just a better user experience and constant development not only rotation side (included at no extra cost), it also has core constantly updated with new feature and updates.

If GGL had more active development on QOL features for users, I would likely lean more into using GGL, but as it stands now, it's great, but there is just too much footwork setting it up, and for the average users, it's just not worth it. This might change in the future as there is supposed to be updated before Dragon Flight, which makes it easier to use; when they come out, I will re-evaluate those new changes and update my review according to those changes.
Okay, i understand what you're saying. Thank you very much for your explanation. I did some of my own research after writing my post and have come to the following simplified conclusion;

HyperElk:
- Good for PvE
- Cheap monthly subscrition cost IF only for PvE
- Monthly subscription includes rotations for all classes/specs, for Classic AND Retail
- Quite expensive for PvP as rotations are extra paid monthly cost (roughly $20 per SPEC, per version of WoW, per month)

GGLoader:
- Good for PvE AND PvP
- Cheap monthly subscription BUT insane entry-price-point ($75 per class)
- Monthly subscription and $75 entry-price cost does NOT include the top tier rotation specs for some reason, that is an extra $90 a month per spec
- Extremely expensive for PvE and PvP as all decent or above rotations are paid (up to $90 per spec, per version of WoW, per month)

So, overall, with HyperElk i can get all specs for all classes, for both Retail and WoW, for $25 a month, although this does not include PvP. But for PvP specs it's an additional $20 per month, per spec - but that's reasonable and very well priced considering everything included in the $25 monthly subscription.

Whilst with GGLoader it's $75 per class, doesn't even include a rotation for neither PvE nor PvP that is any better than HyperElk (thus not worth costing $50 more for no justifiable reason, especially when HyperElk is $50 cheaper for ALL classes+specs), an additional $12 a month as a subscription, and an additional $50-$90 for community rotations, per SPEC, per version of WoW, per month. Free rotations are garbage from what I've been told, barely ever updated since they dont get monthly financial incentive to keep them up to date, and any rotation that is any good ends up being charged for by the creator. Also those additional community rotations can be abandonned at ANY time, for ANY reason.

So to maintain HyperElk, realistically, would cost $45 a month ($25 for the monthly subscription for all PvE specs, and $20 extra a month for 1x PvP spec for your main). To maintain GGLoader it's $177 for the first month, then $102 MINIMUM every month after ($75 entry price class + $12 monthly subscription + $90 for only 1 good spec, and an extra $90 for every spec you want after) - want to have a Disc Priest PvE spec that is really good? Another $90 to your monthly cost.

GGLoader just costs waaaaaay too much even at the bare minimum of only purchasing 1 spec, for 1 aspect of the game (PvE/PvP), for 1 version of WoW (retail/classic), and has nothing to justify the cost. The cost they have, i assumed was because they had top-tier 99% dev-made and dev-maintained specs. But you pay those ridiculous entry price costs and don't even get a spec, and then need to pay more money to get community specs? Nah, that's just way too much for nothing of genuine value.

I would rather pay $25 a month for all PvE specs that are all 90%+ parse and an extra $20 a month for 1 good PvP spec, than $75 entry + $12 per month subscription + $90 PER MONTH FOR 1 SPEC.

Both have amazingly polite and informative devs / assistants / customer support i must say, having spoken to both, but I have to say GGLoader is far too steep in having such a high entry-cost at $75, then expecting its users to pay up to $90 for specs. For $75 i expect to buy a top tier Gladiator-worthy rotation for the entire class, i thought that was the point of having such a crazy entry-cost. HyperElk has far too much on offer for such a low price to even consider GGLoader. Even if I were to buy 6x $20 PvP specs for 3 different classes from HyperElk, it would still come out cheaper than GGLoader with just 1 spec.

Lastly, i find that GGLoader has over-complicated their purchase page, with too many options; one of which was to pay $99 for a private build. I've used many suppliers in the past for hacks for many different games, from many different providers, and many inherently offer private builds as part of their base monthly cost (as well as other features such as HWID spoofers for example). The fact they want to charge an additional $99 to auto-generate you a unique build is kind of scummy to me considering it isn't that hard to do; as mentioned many providers for hacks for games I've used in the past do this naturally and inherently to help avoid EAC/BE build detections and have never charged a premium for such a feature. Seeing that option was a bit of a nail-in-the-coffin moment for me.

It felt like they're just choosing to charge insane amounts of money for things that should not cost money, for the sake of charging the money with no genuine added value. If they don't provide decent specs there shouldn't be a $75 class-fee ontop of their monthly subscription. If they charge $75 for a class rotation i shouldn't have to spend $90 on top of that to buy a decent one from the community creators. They shouldn't charge a penny for unique builds, this should be the default ESPECIALLY when charging $75 already. Etc.

Thanks again for your insight though, it has helped me reach the conclusion above and encouraged me to do my own detailed research.
09/11/2022 18:45 Xeniaz#81
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Originally Posted by RoflLmaoNo View Post
Okay, i understand what you're saying. Thank you very much for your explanation. I did some of my own research after writing my post and have come to the following simplified conclusion;

HyperElk:
- Good for PvE
- Cheap monthly subscrition cost IF only for PvE
- Monthly subscription includes rotations for all classes/specs, for Classic AND Retail
- Quite expensive for PvP as rotations are extra paid monthly cost (roughly $20 per SPEC, per version of WoW, per month)

GGLoader:
- Good for PvE AND PvP
- Cheap monthly subscription BUT insane entry-price-point ($75 per class)
- Monthly subscription and $75 entry-price cost does NOT include the top tier rotation specs for some reason, that is an extra $90 a month per spec
- Extremely expensive for PvE and PvP as all decent or above rotations are paid (up to $90 per spec, per version of WoW, per month)

So, overall, with HyperElk i can get all specs for all classes, for both Retail and WoW, for $25 a month, although this does not include PvP. But for PvP specs it's an additional $20 per month, per spec - but that's reasonable and very well priced considering everything included in the $25 monthly subscription.

Whilst with GGLoader it's $75 per class, doesn't even include a rotation for neither PvE nor PvP that is any better than HyperElk (thus not worth costing $50 more for no justifiable reason, especially when HyperElk is $50 cheaper for ALL classes+specs), an additional $12 a month as a subscription, and an additional $50-$90 for community rotations, per SPEC, per version of WoW, per month. Free rotations are garbage from what I've been told, barely ever updated since they dont get monthly financial incentive to keep them up to date, and any rotation that is any good ends up being charged for by the creator. Also those additional community rotations can be abandonned at ANY time, for ANY reason.

So to maintain HyperElk, realistically, would cost $45 a month ($25 for the monthly subscription for all PvE specs, and $20 extra a month for 1x PvP spec for your main). To maintain GGLoader it's $177 for the first month, then $102 MINIMUM every month after ($75 entry price class + $12 monthly subscription + $90 for only 1 good spec, and an extra $90 for every spec you want after) - want to have a Disc Priest PvE spec that is really good? Another $90 to your monthly cost.

GGLoader just costs waaaaaay too much even at the bare minimum of only purchasing 1 spec, for 1 aspect of the game (PvE/PvP), for 1 version of WoW (retail/classic), and has nothing to justify the cost. The cost they have, i assumed was because they had top-tier 99% dev-made and dev-maintained specs. But you pay those ridiculous entry price costs and don't even get a spec, and then need to pay more money to get community specs? Nah, that's just way too much for nothing of genuine value.

I would rather pay $25 a month for all PvE specs that are all 90%+ parse and an extra $20 a month for 1 good PvP spec, than $75 entry + $12 per month subscription + $90 PER MONTH FOR 1 SPEC.

Both have amazingly polite and informative devs / assistants / customer support i must say, having spoken to both, but I have to say GGLoader is far too steep in having such a high entry-cost at $75, then expecting its users to pay up to $90 for specs. For $75 i expect to buy a top tier Gladiator-worthy rotation for the entire class, i thought that was the point of having such a crazy entry-cost. HyperElk has far too much on offer for such a low price to even consider GGLoader. Even if I were to buy 6x $20 PvP specs for 3 different classes from HyperElk, it would still come out cheaper than GGLoader with just 1 spec.

Lastly, i find that GGLoader has over-complicated their purchase page, with too many options; one of which was to pay $99 for a private build. I've used many suppliers in the past for hacks for many different games, from many different providers, and many inherently offer private builds as part of their base monthly cost (as well as other features such as HWID spoofers for example). The fact they want to charge an additional $99 to auto-generate you a unique build is kind of scummy to me considering it isn't that hard to do; as mentioned many providers for hacks for games I've used in the past do this naturally and inherently to help avoid EAC/BE build detections and have never charged a premium for such a feature. Seeing that option was a bit of a nail-in-the-coffin moment for me.

It felt like they're just choosing to charge insane amounts of money for things that should not cost money, for the sake of charging the money with no genuine added value. If they don't provide decent specs there shouldn't be a $75 class-fee ontop of their monthly subscription. If they charge $75 for a class rotation i shouldn't have to spend $90 on top of that to buy a decent one from the community creators. They shouldn't charge a penny for unique builds, this should be the default ESPECIALLY when charging $75 already. Etc.

Thanks again for your insight though, it has helped me reach the conclusion above and encouraged me to do my own detailed research.
Thats correct HyperELK is cheaper and offers more for a lower cost.
But i think you have read wrong on GGL.
Havent seen any class specc for 90USD/Month for 1 specc.
I know there are private devs out there and highest is 90USD for ALL classes and is an AIO (All in one)
The per class is lower and cost all from 20-50USD per specc.
There are diffrent devs that take diffrent price but none of them have anything that high per class
09/12/2022 10:05 jassking2001#82
I've used rotation lab, hyper elk, and easyrotationz for WoTLK.

Rotation lab was incomplete to the say the least. It looks like it's supporting nearly every spec but of the handful I tested, none had completely correct rotations. That being said, I only tested a few classes. Make use of their trial and see if it works well for yours. YMMV. They had great support.

Hyper Elk is the best value. They have nearly every spec but some are buggy and updates can be very slow. Some of their support staff can also be extremely frustrating to deal with. The admin and a dev or two tend to be argumentative and arrogant. If that dev covers your class, reporting bugs can be disheartening. The UI is decent. Healing rotations are best on the market at this price.

Easyrotationz was by far my favorite. They have the smallest dev team so it seems that they strive for quality over quantity. Their UI is good looking and easy to use, their rotations are on point, and their support is top notch. They patch bugs ridiculously fast, and respond on discord even faster. If your class is melee (mostly what they support,), I couldn't recommend them enough.

Id suggest you go EasyRotationz if you're playing melee (and Hunter when it's finished) and HyperElk if you're wanting to heal. I'd look elsewhere if you play caster. RotationLab looks like it has a ton of potential but right now it feels unfinished.
09/12/2022 17:03 tamedbeast#83
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Originally Posted by jassking2001 View Post
I've used rotation lab, hyper elk, and easyrotationz for WoTLK.

Rotation lab was incomplete to the say the least. It looks like it's supporting nearly every spec but of the handful I tested, none had completely correct rotations. That being said, I only tested a few classes. Make use of their trial and see if it works well for yours. YMMV. They had great support.

Hyper Elk is the best value. They have nearly every spec but some are buggy and updates can be very slow. Some of their support staff can also be extremely frustrating to deal with. The admin and a dev or two tend to be argumentative and arrogant. If that dev covers your class, reporting bugs can be disheartening. The UI is decent. Healing rotations are best on the market at this price.

Easyrotationz was by far my favorite. They have the smallest dev team so it seems that they strive for quality over quantity. Their UI is good looking and easy to use, their rotations are on point, and their support is top notch. They patch bugs ridiculously fast, and respond on discord even faster. If your class is melee (mostly what they support,), I couldn't recommend them enough.

Id suggest you go EasyRotationz if you're playing melee (and Hunter when it's finished) and HyperElk if you're wanting to heal. I'd look elsewhere if you play caster. RotationLab looks like it has a ton of potential but right now it feels unfinished.
Rotationlabs just lacks active development on rotations for it to have a fair review at all, which is why I didn't even bother to review it. You're right; they talk a lot about supporting all rotations but end up not supporting most of them but still try to charge users the same price as fully developed rotations which is silly; they should just offer it for next to nothing to build a community and attract rotations developers but to each their own.

I love EasyRotations and would love them more when they complete healing classes.
09/12/2022 23:00 0x41^4#84
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Originally Posted by RoflLmaoNo View Post
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GGL is better for people that want to play competitive. Rotations are optimized for end-game players, such as mythic raiders (realm race) and carry sellers, high rated io (3K+), gladiators and rank 1s.

GGL's entry cost is substantially more than HyperElk. Additionally, setup is more demanding.

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HyperElk is better for people that play more casual. Casual mythic raiders/heroic raiders, people pushing lower keys (15s and below), casual pvp (2100 and below, although it is possible to achieve gladiator, just harder than GGL).

HyperElk is substantially cheaper, and setup is extremely easy.

Edit: I should clarify, it is possible to achieve similar accomplishments using HyperElk that is achieved with GGL. It's just a lot more difficult and requires a lot more input (unless you play hunter). With the exception of rank 1 (only frequently achieved with GGL), HyperElk capabilities are sufficent. The most simplistic difference between the two is that GGL is built for competitive end-game players while HyperElk is built for convenience and a more casual experience. But HyperElk is still good. For most players, it's a better value.
09/17/2022 20:57 ilikebacon#85
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Originally Posted by 0x41^4 View Post
GGL is better for people that want to play competitive. Rotations are optimized for end-game players, such as mythic raiders (realm race) and carry sellers, high rated io (3K+), gladiators and rank 1s.

GGL's entry cost is substantially more than HyperElk. Additionally, setup is more demanding.

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HyperElk is better for people that play more casual. Casual mythic raiders/heroic raiders, people pushing lower keys (15s and below), casual pvp (2100 and below, although it is possible to achieve gladiator, just harder than GGL).

HyperElk is substantially cheaper, and setup is extremely easy.

Edit: I should clarify, it is possible to achieve similar accomplishments using HyperElk that is achieved with GGL. It's just a lot more difficult and requires a lot more input (unless you play hunter). With the exception of rank 1 (only frequently achieved with GGL), HyperElk capabilities are sufficent. The most simplistic difference between the two is that GGL is built for competitive end-game players while HyperElk is built for convenience and a more casual experience. But HyperElk is still good. For most players, it's a better value.
Damn, you lost your blue name too heh
09/18/2022 15:54 Rubim#86
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Originally Posted by 0x41^4 View Post
GGL is better for people that want to play competitive. Rotations are optimized for end-game players, such as mythic raiders (realm race) and carry sellers, high rated io (3K+), gladiators and rank 1s.

GGL's entry cost is substantially more than HyperElk. Additionally, setup is more demanding.

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HyperElk is better for people that play more casual. Casual mythic raiders/heroic raiders, people pushing lower keys (15s and below), casual pvp (2100 and below, although it is possible to achieve gladiator, just harder than GGL).

HyperElk is substantially cheaper, and setup is extremely easy.

Edit: I should clarify, it is possible to achieve similar accomplishments using HyperElk that is achieved with GGL. It's just a lot more difficult and requires a lot more input (unless you play hunter). With the exception of rank 1 (only frequently achieved with GGL), HyperElk capabilities are sufficent. The most simplistic difference between the two is that GGL is built for competitive end-game players while HyperElk is built for convenience and a more casual experience. But HyperElk is still good. For most players, it's a better value.
Thats is heavelly dependant on the rotation developer, nah?
Aside from some specific specs, the "meta" ones are almost full auto pilot.

There's a few otimizations here and there, but all those otimizations, can't currently be done with Pixel Bots. The user has to be aware of it and manually do it.

Like spreading Crane Kick to 5 units / Aoe for Ranged / Prio Target and so on.

But that's strictily talking about PvE. PvP is another issue on how much you can automate.
09/18/2022 18:47 Xeniaz#87
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Originally Posted by Rubim View Post
Thats is heavelly dependant on the rotation developer, nah?
Aside from some specific specs, the "meta" ones are almost full auto pilot.

There's a few otimizations here and there, but all those otimizations, can't currently be done with Pixel Bots. The user has to be aware of it and manually do it.

Like spreading Crane Kick to 5 units / Aoe for Ranged / Prio Target and so on.

But that's strictily talking about PvE. PvP is another issue on how much you can automate.

Like spreading Crane Kick to 5 units: GGL have this and it works perfect and fully automated
Aoe for Ranged: Same here GGL have this and works perfect for range class even have diffrent types of AoE detection
Prio Target and so on: GGL have this and works, last target logic etc..

From what i have seen GGL have master and pushed what pixelbots can do very far and good and 95% of stuff is fully automated. Can probally 100% fully automate. But then you wont top DPS meters, because some elements need a users. Like knowing when to use burst for optimal DPS etc..
09/19/2022 11:28 Rubim#88
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Originally Posted by Xeniaz View Post
Like spreading Crane Kick to 5 units: GGL have this and it works perfect and fully automated
Aoe for Ranged: Same here GGL have this and works perfect for range class even have diffrent types of AoE detection
Prio Target and so on: GGL have this and works, last target logic etc..

From what i have seen GGL have master and pushed what pixelbots can do very far and good and 95% of stuff is fully automated. Can probally 100% fully automate. But then you wont top DPS meters, because some elements need a users. Like knowing when to use burst for optimal DPS etc..
Right.

It's not reliable as you sound to be.

You can ether do it by pressing tab and swaping targets or show an icon above the head of the target and let the user mouseover.

If it's reliable to you, then you're pretty sure not doing content hard enough. Worse, you're letting the bot decides what it will target.

You can't automate 100%, you can't target specific mobs, you can't cast ground spells on your target (well, if you automate via pixel it will fuck up your mouse), you can't count how many enemies are around others.

That's the limitations of pixel bots.

People are still using my updated addon, and trust me, i know the limitations of pixel bots and you know that too.
09/23/2022 22:14 0x41^4#89
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Originally Posted by ilikebacon View Post
Damn, you lost your blue name too heh
yea, epvp is dead so there is literally no reason to pay for it anymore.
10/12/2022 01:50 tamedbeast#90
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Originally Posted by 0x41^4 View Post
yea, epvp is dead so there is literally no reason to pay for it anymore.
ouch :kekw: