I hear you. I thanked you for bringing the confusion up and cleared that up by editing the post without you needing to tell me to after I already did it. In the world of secondary software for games and people being banned, clearly we are all out to find something reputable. Shouldn't be a surprise that people who are not yet customers are trying to get feedback. Do you speak for this company? If you're a happy customer, why not do them a favor? Give the feedback being asked for once the confusion is already cleared? Again, thanks pointing that out. If you have feedback, awesome. If not, take care bud.Quote:
My question was: I used battlelog in the past and got banned so I was asking for user feedback. My concern and hope I am not being to cynical is this, I read about them being in the business for years and facilitating for upper-tier streamers. As I was reading through there seems to be some issues. If they are providing for top-tier streamers, wouldn't all the bugs be worked out? Not sure why they would have bugs after going public if they have been in the bus for years. Honest question, just dont want to get banned again and ensure what they claim is accurate.
Then you should be very clear. Your sentence clearly suggested about Battlelog. You should say I read about "PO" instead of "Read about them" right after mention battlelog obviously anyone would think your entire sentence is referring to them.
And what do you mean by not sure why they would have bugs after going public if they have been in the business for years?
Even a billion dollar company like Activison have to deal with plenty of bugs and glitches on a weekly basis.
Regardless of your inaccurate claims, everyone here knows Zebleer is one of the best dev who actually responds to his customers.
Look at your account stats, joined today with only 2 post and complaining about PO banning you and having bugs when you are not even their customer? Clearly tells everything
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08/08/2021 17:29
Hawaiian808#76
08/08/2021 22:44
TeeCamp#77
I think the guy was genuinely trying to get all of his thoughts out but just happened to miss a few key words in his post. Lets not hose the guy on that.Quote:
Then you should be very clear. Your sentence clearly suggested about Battlelog. You should say I read about "PO" instead of "Read about them" right after mention battlelog obviously anyone would think your entire sentence is referring to them.
And what do you mean by not sure why they would have bugs after going public if they have been in the business for years?
Even a billion dollar company like Activison have to deal with plenty of bugs and glitches on a weekly basis.
Regardless of your inaccurate claims, everyone here knows Zebleer is one of the best dev who actually responds to his customers.
Look at your account stats, joined today with only 2 post and complaining about PO banning you and having bugs when you are not even their customer? Clearly tells everything
All in all, he just wants to know if PO is legit because losing an account sucks to people who are new to this.
I will throw in my .02...I used battlelog for my first time hacking, and it was great for a few months and I played super lowkey. I got banned on the first account, made another account and was banned 2 weeks later on the 2nd one. Battlelog is highly detectable but they got cool features that were nice (skeleton ESP, no recoil, told you how many players were around you...etc)
I now use PO and it is okay. It does the job and serves its purpose. I don't aimbot, I just use ESP. I have used it for several weeks and dealt with the bugs. They get them fixed quickly though. I like that they have the loader on a USB and look out for security. Wish they had something like no recoil because cronus sucks balls.
I would feel comfortable telling you that you will be fine if you are trying to look legit and just want to have that slight upper hand. I still get clapped by people pretty often but mostly when I have spectators.
Hope that helps.
08/09/2021 01:55
Hawaiian808#78
Appreciate it bud. That's exactly what I was looking for. I am super low-key and also use it for ESP only. I play pc/controller and don't use aimbot. I also had a very similar experience with Battlelog having two accounts banned. That's why I am on the hunt for something reliable. I am well aware that using these is never guaranteed but feedback helps to make me feel a bit more comforatable. Thanks againQuote:
All in all, he just wants to know if PO is legit because losing an account sucks to people who are new to this.
I will throw in my .02...I used battlelog for my first time hacking, and it was great for a few months and I played super lowkey. I got banned on the first account, made another account and was banned 2 weeks later on the 2nd one. Battlelog is highly detectable but they got cool features that were nice (skeleton ESP, no recoil, told you how many players were around you...etc)
I now use PO and it is okay. It does the job and serves its purpose. I don't aimbot, I just use ESP. I have used it for several weeks and dealt with the bugs. They get them fixed quickly though. I like that they have the loader on a USB and look out for security. Wish they had something like no recoil because cronus sucks balls.
I would feel comfortable telling you that you will be fine if you are trying to look legit and just want to have that slight upper hand. I still get clapped by people pretty often but mostly when I have spectators.
Hope that helps.
08/09/2021 06:19
CK2020#79
Hi, question I am deciding on what new cheese to get, this one looks good if vis checks can be fix in Cold War.
Also how is the aimbot fov (does it auto aim on other players i.e. if you down one player in VIP then start shooting on other player in the same FOV?)
Most cheese aimbots can't work very well in this situation. I am also looking for aim prediction, and settings that can be changed for stick and stones (using Crossbow or Tomahawk in Cold War only)
Also how is the aimbot fov (does it auto aim on other players i.e. if you down one player in VIP then start shooting on other player in the same FOV?)
Most cheese aimbots can't work very well in this situation. I am also looking for aim prediction, and settings that can be changed for stick and stones (using Crossbow or Tomahawk in Cold War only)
08/09/2021 08:19
zebleer#80
I didn't ban you... you got rate limited by CloudFlare because I was getting DDOS attacked and rate limiting was set very low to kill the attack. The rate limit "ban" only lasts an hour and it has nothing to do with anything I did to you personally or anything that you posted.Quote:
I posted this question on their forum. An honest question IMO and as soon as I tried to post it didn't post and I was banned. This was a genuine question.
My question was: I used battlelog in the past and got banned so I was asking for user feedback on the PO forum. My concern and hope I am not being to cynical is this, I read about them (PO) being in the business for years and facilitating for upper-tier streamers. As I was reading through there seems to be some issues. If they are providing for top-tier streamers, wouldn't all the bugs be worked out? Not sure why they would have bugs after going public if they have been in the bus for years. Honest question, just dont want to get banned again and ensure what they claim is accurate.
I found PO on this forum but since I am new it won't let me post the screenshot of being banned from posting on the forum. This is however what it read,
"ERROR 15
Your are being rate limited
What happened?
The owner of this website ([Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]) has banned you temporarily from accessing this website."
**Also concerning if I ask a legitimate question and get banned as a potential new customer, how many comments get banned? If this is some sort of system issue with the cloud then ok, but it says they banned me. Does anyone customers have any feedback that has been using for a few weeks?
Thanks,
Next time please do not go around saying that I banned you for asking a question before some Googling or asking around. I even posted 2-3 posts above your post explaining the rate limiting situation to another user.
Since then, I have changed rate limiting so that it shouldn't hurt legitimate users and should only ban and stop bots that are part of a DDOS attack... so you're all good to go...
As for your question, my streaming/private builds are for various games and are very different from the builds for the public.
If I was just copy and pasting private builds to sell publicly such that they were the same and no bugs existed... that's a scam. That means that I made no changes between the private and public builds and the private builds aren't private at all. Private vs. public builds means that everything is made differently and that the cheats are fully different & even the bypasses are usually different (in my case they are).
& yes I would have been happy for you to post this on my forum and for me to answer there... you never got banned for anything by me.
I actually don't care if people talk about other cheat providers on my site or in my communities. If they keep going and going I tell them to knock it off but we don't have any filters and we actually haven't even banned anyone besides one user (see at the end of my post).Quote:
Battlelog has always been a trash provider and they sell DETECTED chairs.
They rely heavily on Google ads to market to the majority of nubs who are unaware about forums like this, who simply googles "warzone cheat". Thats where their income is coming from. When you buy from them and get banned on ur main the moment you inject (basically getting scammed) they will just tell you theres nothing wrong with their cheat and they will ban/remove any complains you make on their forum and theres no way for you to share your frustration because most people who buys from them are not aware of forums like this.
If you do a little bit of homework in this forum, there are plenty of really good providers who do not waste their resources on google ads and for most of them their chairs are really good and not detected
Also the reason why u got banned from PO is because you are not allowed to talk about other cheat providers in their community. They have a active community on telegram/discord and alot of them are very helpful and they have nothing but excellent feedbacks as far as everyone can see so if you dont wanna get banned learn to read the rules.
He got rate limited by CloudFlare and it was a false positive during a DDOS attack. Those rate limits lift after 60 seconds or at most an hour. His rate limit is long gone by now & I've raised the threshold so that real people do not get rate limited anymore...
Also yes BLOG is exactly as you've described, which is probably why he thought I was the same and really did ban him just for asking a question. We haven't banned anyone to this day other than a user named "PhantomBlows" who registered and began spamming my site with advertisements & trash talk.
You are 100% correct. He was not banned at all he got rate limited by CloudFlare because we had an ongoing DDOS attack. All is resolved now and rate limiting shouldn't hit real people anymore.Quote:
Thus, I don't think you've actually been banned. Please note I am not associated with PO, I could be wrong, I'm sure zeebler will respond when he is awake and online tomorrow to help you.
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You can talk about other providers on my forum and in my communities and unless you are blatantly plugging them I won't care. You did not get banned from my forum & your post had nothing to do with anything. It was a CloudFlare DDOS attack rate limit.Quote:
I also didn't mention other cheat providers in their thread by name. I added that here for reference.
He was defending me which I appreciate but not he does not speak for us, I do, and your question was welcome on my site, INCLUDING with the mention of BLOG. I do not care. You were not banned from my site at all. CloudFlare rate limited you. You are welcome to go back to my site now and make your post.Quote:
Thanks for the kind words. Just to clarify that user didn't get banned from my site at all, he got rate limited because CloudFlare mistook him for a bot (misconfiguration on my end). It's since been fixed. His question along with the mention of Battlelog was fully welcome. There are no rules about mentioning other providers on my site and community unless you're clearly advertising for them & there are no trigger words on my site for a ban or a removal of a post. We are the most pro free speech provider you will ever find which is why this scandal started by misinformation sucks really bad. :confused:Quote:
All in all, he just wants to know if PO is legit because losing an account sucks to people who are new to this.
I will throw in my .02...I used battlelog for my first time hacking, and it was great for a few months and I played super lowkey. I got banned on the first account, made another account and was banned 2 weeks later on the 2nd one. Battlelog is highly detectable but they got cool features that were nice (skeleton ESP, no recoil, told you how many players were around you...etc)
I now use PO and it is okay. It does the job and serves its purpose. I don't aimbot, I just use ESP. I have used it for several weeks and dealt with the bugs. They get them fixed quickly though. I like that they have the loader on a USB and look out for security. Wish they had something like no recoil because cronus sucks balls.
I would feel comfortable telling you that you will be fine if you are trying to look legit and just want to have that slight upper hand. I still get clapped by people pretty often but mostly when I have spectators.
Hope that helps.
Yes BLOG resells at a big mark up and sometimes the resold product is good and sometimes not. They rely on massive SEO for sales... so if you are here on EPVP no reason to use them.Quote:
I explained above why the public build had bugs. Those bugs have been fixed though... I was fast about them.
As for detections, I've never had any. You came to the right place. :)
Vis checks exists in Warzone & MW already, and is planned still for CW. You can wait until it's added and I'd understand. My main focus has been Warzone & MW since CW isn't highly popular features wise but I still give it plenty of attention. :)Quote:
Also how is the aimbot fov (does it auto aim on other players i.e. if you down one player in VIP then start shooting on other player in the same FOV?)
Most cheese aimbots can't work very well in this situation. I am also looking for aim prediction, and settings that can be changed for stick and stones (using Crossbow or Tomahawk in Cold War only)
Aimbot does not auto aim or auto shoot; I do not make rage cheats.
Both Warzone & MW and CW now have prediction. Before it was just CW but I added prediction to Warzone & MW today. Prediction is basic for both, so you may not want to count on crazy shots working in sticks and stones, but in CW all enemies who are close or visible to you should work out fine.
You can always give me a shot and get a refund if you don't like it.
08/09/2021 19:27
Hawaiian808#81
Thanks for the response. Was not trying to cause an uproar.Quote:
Next time please do not go around saying that I banned you for asking a question before some Googling or asking around. I even posted 2-3 posts above your post explaining the rate limiting situation to another user.
You say don't go around saying you banned me without googling or asking around. That is quite literally what I did here. I came here to a forum designed to discuss your product after googling. I could no longer access your site because it said, "The owner of this website ([Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]) has banned you temporarily from accessing this website." I am not a big computer guy so I took the messaging at face value.
Seems to be all cleared up now and appreciate the clarification. Looking forward to trying your product.
08/09/2021 20:51
Exodiasgodwz#82
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You say don't go around saying you banned me without googling or asking around. That is quite literally what I did here. I came here to a forum designed to discuss your product after googling. I could no longer access your site because it said, "The owner of this website ([Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]) has banned you temporarily from accessing this website." I am not a big computer guy so I took the messaging at face value.
Seems to be all cleared up now and appreciate the clarification. Looking forward to trying your product.
It’s alright. You seem like a genuine person. If you’re looking for something really good and close to zero risk or detection then PO is way to go. There are many providers who claims to be undetected but somehow or rather you’ll end up getting shadowbanned and then permabanned 1-2 week or 1 month later after injecting. Never had a even a single shadowban on PO so far.
However, I really hope zeb can improve the esp by making the box just a little little bit thinner and remove the film grain looking filter thing inside the esp box because it makes players who has black operators harder to see.
08/10/2021 00:57
0x41^4#83
Recommend a thickness slider.Quote:
However, I really hope zeb can improve the esp by making the box just a little little bit thinner and remove the film grain looking filter thing inside the esp box because it makes players who has black operators harder to see.
08/10/2021 02:27
alma5200#84
Hey @[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
I wanna try your cheat but i have few qustion
1.can you discount for first time perches ?
2.can you accept paypal ?
3.if I got more reports in the game for playing aggressive not rage, the cheat will start take SS ? or gives me instantly shadowbanned ?
for example , i don't want to say the name of the cheat here , but if you play with that cheats and play more aggressive not rage after few days later you start taken screenshots. its like your ESP disappear every 1-2 minutes but you not shadowbanned until in few days. u know what I mean ? but some providers does not take SS , but instantly gives you shadowbanned after you take SS. how was your cheat doing ?
I wanna try your cheat but i have few qustion
1.can you discount for first time perches ?
2.can you accept paypal ?
3.if I got more reports in the game for playing aggressive not rage, the cheat will start take SS ? or gives me instantly shadowbanned ?
for example , i don't want to say the name of the cheat here , but if you play with that cheats and play more aggressive not rage after few days later you start taken screenshots. its like your ESP disappear every 1-2 minutes but you not shadowbanned until in few days. u know what I mean ? but some providers does not take SS , but instantly gives you shadowbanned after you take SS. how was your cheat doing ?
08/10/2021 03:45
ilikebacon#85
1: He might, ask him.Quote:
I wanna try your cheat but i have few qustion
1.can you discount for first time perches ?
2.can you accept paypal ?
3.if I got more reports in the game for playing aggressive not rage, the cheat will start take SS ? or gives me instantly shadowbanned ?
for example , i don't want to say the name of the cheat here , but if you play with that cheats and play more aggressive not rage after few days later you start taken screenshots. its like your ESP disappear every 1-2 minutes but you not shadowbanned until in few days. u know what I mean ? but some providers does not take SS , but instantly gives you shadowbanned after you take SS. how was your cheat doing ?
2: no he doesnt take paypal
3: His cheat is stream proof so no screenshotter will show the cheat
08/10/2021 08:50
Exodiasgodwz#86
1 . He will probably give you a discount but i wouldnt ask for a discount because asking for discount mean that you are not willing to pay full amount and appreciate his hard work and effort in making the chair totally safe and undetectable. Unlike other chairs like EO, its cheap, you are guaranteed to get banned at some point after injecting and no discount too.Quote:
I wanna try your cheat but i have few qustion
1.can you discount for first time perches ?
2.can you accept paypal ?
3.if I got more reports in the game for playing aggressive not rage, the cheat will start take SS ? or gives me instantly shadowbanned ?
for example , i don't want to say the name of the cheat here , but if you play with that cheats and play more aggressive not rage after few days later you start taken screenshots. its like your ESP disappear every 1-2 minutes but you not shadowbanned until in few days. u know what I mean ? but some providers does not take SS , but instantly gives you shadowbanned after you take SS. how was your cheat doing ?
2 . Maybe you can ask but i dont think most chair providers will take paypal due to security reasons
3 . The chair is stream/screenshot proof. Even if u printscreen in game with esp on, you still wont be able to see any esp on the screenshot file saved. You can even live stream on discord and your esp cannot be seen, so dont need to worry about in game screenshot feature.
Maybe one day zeb will developed a magical picture-proof feature meaning even if you face your webcam on your monitor, ESP cannot be seen. Im sure zlaner is willing to pay a million dollar for it.
And also if you notice, within the ESP itself theres like a transparent film could that be removed too? Compared to other ESP which only has box, that film thingy is hard to unnotice once you notice it hahaQuote:
08/11/2021 00:57
alma5200#87
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you dont have to pay million dollars for that webcam strea proof. Do it like this video and your good :
it works with any streamproof cheats
you dont have to pay million dollars for that webcam strea proof. Do it like this video and your good :
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08/11/2021 06:18
zebleer#88
No harm done. I'm sorry for being a bit of a dick to you about it as well; it was just frustrating to see 2 pages of conversation regarding "he banned me for asking a question" when that wasn't true, but I understand that you were here to verify what happened and that you didn't post with certainty, so I truly apologize. That's on me.Quote:
You say don't go around saying you banned me without googling or asking around. That is quite literally what I did here. I came here to a forum designed to discuss your product after googling. I could no longer access your site because it said, "The owner of this website ([Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]) has banned you temporarily from accessing this website." I am not a big computer guy so I took the messaging at face value.
Seems to be all cleared up now and appreciate the clarification. Looking forward to trying your product.
I plan to add more options to customize the ESP, including more options than what you just listed (i.e. toggle the filling, change box type, change thickness, etc.)Quote:
However, I really hope zeb can improve the esp by making the box just a little little bit thinner and remove the film grain looking filter thing inside the esp box because it makes players who has black operators harder to see.
I hope you're still a user when I do that & enjoy! :D
1. I'd rather you just pay full price since I feel my work is extremely fairly priced for the quality, but if you want to PM me we can work something out if you really want a little bit off. Especially if you're getting a higher priced option. :)Quote:
I wanna try your cheat but i have few qustion
1.can you discount for first time perches ?
2.can you accept paypal ?
3.if I got more reports in the game for playing aggressive not rage, the cheat will start take SS ? or gives me instantly shadowbanned ?
for example , i don't want to say the name of the cheat here , but if you play with that cheats and play more aggressive not rage after few days later you start taken screenshots. its like your ESP disappear every 1-2 minutes but you not shadowbanned until in few days. u know what I mean ? but some providers does not take SS , but instantly gives you shadowbanned after you take SS. how was your cheat doing ?
2. No. Credit card, debit card, prepaid card, cash app card, or Bitcoin are my preferred. Amazon gift card if you make a support ticket.
3. Don't rage cheat if you use me. Phantom Overlay isn't meant for rage cheaters. Just play legit looking and you won't need to worry about a SB. As for SS, there is no SS in the world that would catch a Phantom Overlay. :):D
I'll make ESP overlays that can only be seen on special glasses that way streamers can do a monitor cam. :lul::lul::lul:Quote:
2 . Maybe you can ask but i dont think most chair providers will take paypal due to security reasons
3 . The chair is stream/screenshot proof. Even if u printscreen in game with esp on, you still wont be able to see any esp on the screenshot file saved. You can even live stream on discord and your esp cannot be seen, so dont need to worry about in game screenshot feature.
Maybe one day zeb will developed a magical picture-proof feature meaning even if you face your webcam on your monitor, ESP cannot be seen. Im sure zlaner is willing to pay a million dollar for it.
And also if you notice, within the ESP itself theres like a transparent film could that be removed too? Compared to other ESP which only has box, that film thingy is hard to unnotice once you notice it haha
JK I have no fucking idea how I'd do that. If I get bored I might try.
Anyways my ESP will only show on one screen, the primary. If you mirror it to other screens nothing will show. A lot of streamer customers of mine use a laptop to play on and then show the screen in display settings also on their monitor. Then they peak at the laptop screen here & there and show their monitor on stream. For Warzone this is especially good. Then of course it's completely stream safe so that covers screen and game streaming.
Yeah like I say above my ESP will only show on one screen, the primary. If you mirror it to other screens nothing will show. A lot of streamer customers of mine use a laptop to play on and then show the screen in display settings also on their monitor. Then they peak at the laptop screen here & there and show their monitor on stream. For Warzone this is especially good. Then of course it's completely stream safe so that covers screen and game streaming.Quote:
you dont have to pay million dollars for that webcam strea proof. Do it like this video and your good : [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
it works with any streamproof cheats
08/11/2021 08:31
Exodiasgodwz#89
Completely agree with you.
If one decides to rage, then might as well go for EO because you are going to get banned anyway, might as well get the best for raging
If you are looking to play legit, based on my own experience I only trust PO now. There are many big providers (I dont wanna name) that claims to be UD. When you get banned, they will say "If its detected hundreds will be banned" but you only got banned so its probably report when you only play legit. Who are the "hundreds will be banned" when majority of their player base are rage cheaters who get banned on a daily basis anyway?
But its no coincident that you never got SB or banned before and only after trying out their shit you got banned and they say its "manual report" when in reality their shit is detected when you inject.
Activision will not necessary ban you straight away. When you inject and if its detected, you can even get banned for it 1 month later while youre not using it in one of their banwaves or silent banwave.
This was proven few months ago when those who used RUT got perma banned in their banwave. This is also proven for those who inject battlelog/EO when they were targeted. Even players who injected it a long time ago get banned.
Therefor, for legit play i will not trust nor recommend any other provider than PO. Nuff said
If one decides to rage, then might as well go for EO because you are going to get banned anyway, might as well get the best for raging
If you are looking to play legit, based on my own experience I only trust PO now. There are many big providers (I dont wanna name) that claims to be UD. When you get banned, they will say "If its detected hundreds will be banned" but you only got banned so its probably report when you only play legit. Who are the "hundreds will be banned" when majority of their player base are rage cheaters who get banned on a daily basis anyway?
But its no coincident that you never got SB or banned before and only after trying out their shit you got banned and they say its "manual report" when in reality their shit is detected when you inject.
Activision will not necessary ban you straight away. When you inject and if its detected, you can even get banned for it 1 month later while youre not using it in one of their banwaves or silent banwave.
This was proven few months ago when those who used RUT got perma banned in their banwave. This is also proven for those who inject battlelog/EO when they were targeted. Even players who injected it a long time ago get banned.
Therefor, for legit play i will not trust nor recommend any other provider than PO. Nuff said
08/11/2021 10:45
CK2020#90
Well when you say inject with other chair providers, does not PO inject in the same fashion?
What makes PO way better than other chair providers, other than the fact that it is streamable (which I could care less).
I have seen chair providers claim they are undetected and then long and behold somehow their chair got detected, then they blame everyone for raging that got banned and then remove all the negative posts on their forums if they have one.
Are you saying you could inject one time with a chair and play semi-legit, a few games only and never play with that chair again, but then get banned a month or two later? I mean I haven't seen many chairs wait that long to ban, if it is detected, shouldn't it happen within a day or two. Those who use chair tools in zombies and used time-scale and other certain options got banned right away once Activision implemented their detection system for it.
I used X22 to play on an alt acct, but stupid me I want to try it out on my main for a few games once I got the controls figured out prior. I played like 3-5 games I think. It has almost been a week since I did that so hopefully my main doesn't get banned. X22 says they are undetected right now, so hopefully that is true and Activision isn't just monitoring it, then later bam your banned.
I am going to switch to PO after my current chair runs out, only using it on an alt account.
What makes PO way better than other chair providers, other than the fact that it is streamable (which I could care less).
I have seen chair providers claim they are undetected and then long and behold somehow their chair got detected, then they blame everyone for raging that got banned and then remove all the negative posts on their forums if they have one.
Are you saying you could inject one time with a chair and play semi-legit, a few games only and never play with that chair again, but then get banned a month or two later? I mean I haven't seen many chairs wait that long to ban, if it is detected, shouldn't it happen within a day or two. Those who use chair tools in zombies and used time-scale and other certain options got banned right away once Activision implemented their detection system for it.
I used X22 to play on an alt acct, but stupid me I want to try it out on my main for a few games once I got the controls figured out prior. I played like 3-5 games I think. It has almost been a week since I did that so hopefully my main doesn't get banned. X22 says they are undetected right now, so hopefully that is true and Activision isn't just monitoring it, then later bam your banned.
I am going to switch to PO after my current chair runs out, only using it on an alt account.