Project X: 9Dragons

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Originally Posted by Play9D The passwords in 9D are hashed+salted both for forums and game, why would he waste his time cracking salted hashes when he can use a session fixation exploit on epvp?

Erm, not to start/restart the war things :D, but salted hashed passwords have only 2 ways to be retrieved - 1st is to have the hash key and use brute force/compare crypted strings (the easy way) and 2nd is to use a brute force on both key and DB, which (is a suicide and) would eventually a hundred thousand hours/years, especially if (they're not but let's imagine this picture) usernames are also encrypted.

Personally I've nothing against anyone and I respect the guys, who brought 9D back. It's more than anyone else have done before about 9D, right? So good persons or not, respect their effort. Yes, it has bugs and so, but I think everything will be back in order soon enough. If I had a chance, I'd help about that with whatever possible. After all I also enjoy 9D. Btw I've basic idea why do these bugs happen (I mean pty and band), but I've to look around some more AND will need the client source as from the link that Play9D posted, it can't be downloaded :(

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Originally Posted by 9D_player Erm, not to start/restart the war things :D, but salted hashed passwords have only 2 ways to be retrieved - 1st is to have the hash key and use brute force/compare crypted strings (the easy way) and 2nd is to use a brute force on both key and DB, which (is a suicide and) would eventually a hundred thousand hours/years, especially if (they're not but let's imagine this picture) usernames are also encrypted.

Not really, just depends on the GPU bias, hook up a few HD 6990's and watch magic happen. The only hard hashes are the more specific algorithms which aren't as simply structured as md5 is, if you look at the Unix MD5s or WP for example.

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Originally Posted by Tony-Yayo LoL you kidding me right? i bet you just use simple MD5 hash.

Nope, they're salted and there's a login key as well.

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Originally Posted by Play9D Not really, just depends on the GPU bias, hook up a few HD 6990's and watch magic happen. The only hard hashes are the more specific algorithms which aren't as simply structured as md5 is, if you look at the Unix MD5s or WP for example.

Yep, you're right. GPU power is great and if one happen to find a simple password (dictionary and ppl stupidity ftw) it will happen a little faster. Still is a pain, especially if the hash key is a good mix of symbols. Anyway it's another story and I won't spam this topic with it.

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Hello, This is 9Dragons-DEV , me and Scott just start working on real game server ! Scott sent me server info , but so lag for me i cant remote , so i gonna open test on my local which scott can remote and test from 9Dragons Client . I hope me and Scott's team will be a great DEV . Say hello to Project-9D ... Comming Soon ! Thanks and Regards. p/s: Scott , i forget to grant my account to Administrator as you ! Your fucking server manager so stupid , he dont know how to config server

Pretty sure this guy is VN Coder lol

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Oooo safe to assume whose behind play9d's downtime. 30gb of bandwidth anyone? :D

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Originally Posted by [Zyklon] Pretty sure this guy is VN Coder lol [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] Oooo safe to assume whose behind play9d's downtime. 30gb of bandwidth anyone? :D Also this [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...], just o.o

... zzz i'm not 9Dragons-DEV , at least ... where u read that i'm 9dragons-dev ?

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Originally Posted by [Zyklon] Pretty sure this guy is VN Coder lol [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] Oooo safe to assume whose behind play9d's downtime. 30gb of bandwidth anyone? :D Also this [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...], just o.o

Yup, I personally don't really care who's behind the DDoS attacks because it makes no difference. It's funny how they think they're some immortal host and meanwhile in reality yet to realize how quickly Project9D can and will get burned to the ground if they run in our way....

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Originally Posted by Play9D Yup, I personally don't really care who's behind the DDoS attacks because it makes no difference. It's funny how they think they're some immortal host and meanwhile in reality yet to realize how quickly Project9D can and will get burned to the ground if they run in our way....

dont know why but i cant login at project 9d forum, maybe the DDoS is ON , do you know someting about ?

Accusations and claims are just hearsay at the end of the day..

We do not mean any harm what-so-ever to Play9D And I have stated this many, many times since Warv0x Took my Scotticus account on these forums..

For those that really want to know the true meaning of what I just said above.. Read the Facebook page..

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JUST TO CLARIFY THE SITUATION AND MAKE EVERYTHING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTACKS ON PLAY9D THESE ARE "PAID" ATTACKS MADE BY KIDS THAT HAVE NO LIFE WE AS A COMMUNITY AND AS THE LEAD DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT HAVE NO UNDERLYING ISSUES WITH PLAY9D OR THEIR STAFF WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THIS PROJECT MEANS NO HARM TO PLAY9D AS A COMMUNITY AND WE DO NOT OPERATE DDOS ATTACKS NO MATTER WHAT YOU READ ON THE FORUMS THANKS FOR READING -SCOTT

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This is also to make everyone clear that posting on the page regarding DDoS Attacks is not a very good idea.. As we are in no way responsible for these attacks.. If I see anymore posts about it I will ban the user from the page/forums and the game server when we are live

Just curious but what will be your hook for Project X ?

With Play9D we have x20 xp, free banners and loads of other IM goodies and hermit weapons. Without them I don't think I would have started 9D again. That's why I don't play on GC.

So what will make players play on Project X instead of Play9D ?

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Originally Posted by PCPlaya Just curious but what will be your hook for Project X ? With Play9D we have x20 xp, free banners and loads of other IM goodies and hermit weapons. Without them I don't think I would have started 9D again. That's why I don't play on GC. So what will make players play on Project X instead of Play9D ?

I suggest you checking the forums/facebook page

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Originally Posted by TheHitman22 I suggest you checking the forums/facebook page

I've checked FB and the forums and still can't see what you're offering other than another server. Your deadline is 3 weeks away but I can't really see what you're offering to entice the players and to alleviate the grind.

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Originally Posted by PCPlaya I can't really see what you're offering to entice the players and to alleviate the grind.

Interesting point since P9D is a couple bits short to be "ironclad" as the best 9D possible. Some gift tweaking and it's a total wrap for P9D, any newcomers would have to basically offer everything but the kitchen sink...

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Originally Posted by josped Interesting point since P9D is a couple bits short to be "ironclad" as the best 9D possible. Some gift tweaking and it's a total wrap for P9D, any newcomers would have to basically offer everything but the kitchen sink...

Why be the best when you can kill competition the dirty way and leave the players no other choice? ;D

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Originally Posted by Play9D Why be the best when you can kill competition the dirty way and leave the players no other choice? ;D

Because if any of them manages a working environment and you shoot him down he might just decide to give it away and then you'd have world+dog to worry about?

Reactive response is something to be avoided at all costs, because it screams "didn't see that coming".

As Sun Tzu might put it, the best battle is that which you have won before you had to fight.