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How do my arguments fail? Programming and memory addresses are not the same. That argument fails. You're saying no one helps? Being a programmer does not mean you're a master of memory addresses of a game client. Not everyone can answer you there. To get a memory address can be as easy as loading tsearch and finding a value. Doesn't take a programmer to do that. But it is a step.
1.What do you mean learning anyway? How do you learn from having SV given to you pre-cracked? Nothing. What does a DIY guide teach? It has the potential to teach how to figure out how to crack it in the future. Few people that hack on games have any desire to learn. They just want their instant fix and that's it. They're called leechers. Nothing wrong with them, but SV brought around far too many of them and cast the real programmers here aside since no one could whip up something as good.
You can argue with me all you want, but it wasn't me who made that rule. All I'm doing is enforcing it. If you have an issue with it talk to a1 or DM.
2.I'm letting this topic stay open personally because I like to hear what people have to say. Discussion never hurts, but if it gets too rowdy complaining about SV then it will be locked and there won't be another. If you have something to say that's fine, but READ what the arguments are before you post otherwise your post will not come off as very intelligent.
This is how it is.
3.The reason SV was removed is because this is a hacking forum, not a cracking forum. This forum is for community made hacks. 9net9 is presenting themselves as a company whether or not they are a part of TQ and therefore is not a part of the community. Even charges for their bot. Since it needs to be cracked to be used without pay, it isn't what this forum is about and was removed.
4.SV also caused people to not want to make other bots seeing as SV covered a lot of ground itself. Why make another when there's already one that does it all? No one would use it seeing as SV is established and decent. It hindered development and this isn't an SV co section. It's a CO hacking section. What good is it if the only thing available is SV?
I'm still not sure of what all of your [guys'] arguments are about. 5.Why SHOULD SV be allowed here? There's all the reason to not have it here but no real reason why it SHOULD be here other than the fact that it's for CO. 6.Even if it was allowed, who's going to crack it? I don't think the programmers here would want to much anymore seeing as how better off the servers and the projects are without it public. That means we're back at square 1. No SV and no one willing to learn.
It wasn't my call to remove SV. All I do is uphold the rules. If you REALLY want this discussion to get past our block we've hit, ask a1blaster why :PQuote:
1. About first bold sentence, I "learned" like 6 friends who were completely noobs what a memory address is, they discovered a never seen program called cheat engine and in previous versions they learned another third-party useful programs. Im the first one who thinks a retarded video guide to everybody was a fail, but old DIY were followed by loads of people and sucessfull.
2. Really thank you again, im tired of nazi forums / mods and its nice seeing people still open mind.
3. My opinion its that sounds as a lawyer excuse :)
4. Like the proxies which everybody is using? U can do a few things with SV, u can do all with a proxy, including banning others changing char name, stole people easier, fuck the pvp system...
I think what mainly fails about SV issue its there are loads of bigger crap released nobody talk about and everybody talks about morality when talking about sv... i really dont get your point.
5. And why it was allowed (before guides, it was direct download) so many years in past? And why it was suddenly removed/censored?
6. Maybe u have reason again, anyway its whats happens when u deny one thing, it becames claimed by everybody. Its legal smoking marihuana in Holland but there are lots more of people who smoke it in my country cuz its not tolerated here, getting my point?
That's because you've never developed anything. Who would when SV does it all for you?Quote:
Hmm and where has a good developed bot that worth to donwload? actually theres has some but they dont do 5% that SV does... AND with randon bugs and some more troubles ... If you give a choice between SV and some " Developed " bots ... 100% SV ... ppl are tired of using pixel bots and problematics ones ( if they donwload the developed ones its because theres has no choice but in the end they stop using , like me for example )... theres has some bot (1~2 ) that worth a try , a example are bots for tao , that dont need too many functions to work ... but ppl like other classes too.Quote:
Having SV around never slowed the development, it slowed the user rate, because people would rather use a bot like SV compared to a pixel based macro...Quote: