Zygor guides updater

Wow, what a bunch of fucking children. Holy shit, its unbelievable how immature most of you are. Alot of people jumped to conclusions before asking any questions and everyone is ready to be an asshat at the drop of a word. Jesus, unbelievable.

And the questions no one asked that really should be explained.

1. Does this download directly from Zygor's servers to grab the files or does it connect to a server you manually upload the files to?

And yes, I saw that this is a 'hacked' Zygor updater but I would like a super clear answer here for clarification purposes.

2. If I leave the username and password fields blank, will this still work?

2a. Related to the above question, if these fields are left blank and a legit customer uses this instead, what login information is actually sent (in other words, does it use what is actually shown in the user/pass boxes or does it discretely pull your user/pass from the legit updater without telling / showing you).

3. If I leave the username and password fields blank and assuming this still works (see the above question), is there any user identifiable information that can be tracked back to me (ipaddress for example) that is uploaded to their servers? If so, what information?

4. Is there any user identifiable information placed in the actual downloaded files (in particular if I leave the username and password blank)? If so, what information and what files?

5. Are there any rules regarding distribution of either the guides downloaded using the updater you are providing or the downloader itself that we should know about?

1. those guides are being downloaded from our server nothing downloads from the official zygor server
2.you can leave the login details blank
2a.if you already had a legit zygor updater installed on your computer i recommend removing it or change the login details the details are not being saved by our server.
3.nothing is being logged so your ip will connect to our server but not being saved.
4.files wont be changed does not matter what login details you use.
5.i dont have any rules how you use the guide as long as you dont change any code in the zygorupdater feel free to share the updater on other forums as long as the code its not altered in anyway.

also the guide is not hacked its edited to work with our server instead of zygors

i think i will update the main post to make some things clear.

we look forward to version 4.0.5333

Well if this isn't from the official Zygor DDL, well it was kinda useless to put this here... I mean, whoknowsit was working on this for a loooong time, and it's almost the same updater as his... So why post it here?

All we gained is an updater that takes the files from a random server that no one knows, and download files that are manually updated on the server. We also gained that whoknowsit won't share his files (exept with the donators), unless this crap is closed and erased...

I would like you to put a poll on this thread with this subject : do you think this thread is useful or not, with an answer yes and an answer no. I ask you to do this so that this community can vote on weither it is best to have your guides (even if we don't have any experience with your guides and your software), or use Whoknowsit guides, that are 100% same as the original files, and which we have experience with (and so we trust him).

Hope to see your poll as soon as possible. Thanks

Norton won't let me put it on desktop, keeps deleting it, I liked Whoknowsit's way better, please change. Thank you.

You gotta love politics on Epvp. You both need to grow a pair of balls and stop insulting each other.

First let's start off with Whoknowsit. It's pretty ironic that you are moaning about someone "stealing" your guides, when your program was basically stealing guides from zygor. Realise that you are on the internet, people WILL steal whatever you make, so don't bother in the 1st place if you are just going to try and trash someone about it.

Secondly, yorick. You release a program of a friends, when someone gives you competition, you throw insults about? How old are you? 12? You released a program which is in direct competion with a member which is suppose to have a lot of respect here. You expected a bright flower show at your feet on release.

Finally, everyone moaning about it containing virus's and how bad it is compared to the "previous version". Tough. You have 2 options. 1) Sandboxie 2) buy the guides if you feel you are been treat unfair. Got to love the "I did it 1st and i'm going to cry about it till the others take it offline" attitude. It's pathetic.

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Originally Posted by razorback10 You gotta love politics on Epvp. You both need to grow a pair of balls and stop insulting each other. First let's start off with Whoknowsit. It's pretty ironic that you are moaning about someone "stealing" your guides, when your program was basically stealing guides from zygor. Realise that you are on the internet, people WILL steal whatever you make, so don't bother in the 1st place if you are just going to try and trash someone about it. Secondly, yorick. You release a program of a friends, when someone gives you competition, you throw insults about? How old are you? 12? You released a program which is in direct competion with a member which is suppose to have a lot of respect here. You expected a bright flower show at your feet on release. Finally, everyone moaning about it containing virus's and how bad it is compared to the "previous version". Tough. You have 2 options. 1) Sandboxie 2) buy the guides if you feel you are been treat unfair. Got to love the "I did it 1st and i'm going to cry about it till the others take it offline" attitude. It's pathetic.

/agreed

The only difference is, Yorick is doing what he / she SHOULD be and allowing this to be distributed. Granted, Im not throwing it all over the net, just giving the actual guides themselves after I download them to several of my friends who are mac users.

I am slowly purchasing these for myself so that in the next month or so, I hopefully wont ever have to worry about figuring out where to get them from.

I also like the fact that user information isnt being put into the guides to 'track' who uploads what to where. Completely was the wrong policy by WhoKnowsIt and the 1bad guy who was distributing Dugi's stuff and then 'banning' people because they shared something they found here. Oh, and by the way, completely FAILED to disclose that personal identifiable information that could be tracked back to a specific user was being included in the guides themselves using a shitty hashing algorithm (known as an MD5 hash). This hashing algorithm has already been considered unsecure in the security industry and should NOT be used for anything other than a checksum for non-sensitive data (like ripping cds, verifying non-sensitive files copied correctly, etc.)

The real reason people want 'credit' here is for donations. WhoKnowsIt and the distributor of Dugi's stuff didnt purchase (at least, in their entirety) those guides themselves, they took donations and CONTINUED to take donations after they were paid for.

Do I like this method of running an exe to get updates? No, not really. I dont really see the big deal with uploading the file to a mediafire and posting a link, it takes about a minute of time.

But considering this method is 'hopefully' automatic, we shouldnt have to worry about anything in the future, their script updates the guides automatically, we run the exe and get the updates. Pretty straight forward.

But if WhoKnowsIt was still putting links up, Id probably just keep grabbing them from the link...

For those of you outside the states, welcome to capitalism. He who does it better gets the purchase.

It is entirely in WhoKnowsIt 's right to stop putting the guide on the page. Its also in ANYONE ELSE's RIGHT to come up with their own method of distributing the guides. And it is ENTIRELY in the USERS RIGHT to CHOOSE which method they would prefer. This is called competition and its good for everyone. People are forced to make better products and users benefit by getting better products.

Case and point, remember the iPhone? For TWO years, it didnt do anything to get better until it had some competition from Android. Now, Apple is putting things in the iPhone just to compete with Android (and the same is the case with Google - ie. Google is putting things into Android to compete with IOS). And who wins? Consumers.

A car manufacturer, Audi at one time had the shittiest cars available. Now, they are in the top tier cars on the road (some might argue the best) because they are COMPETING in a free and open market. Competition, everyone wins.

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So are we going to get an update or what?

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Originally Posted by razorback10 You gotta love politics on Epvp. You both need to grow a pair of balls and stop insulting each other. First let's start off with Whoknowsit. It's pretty ironic that you are moaning about someone "stealing" your guides, when your program was basically stealing guides from zygor. Realise that you are on the internet, people WILL steal whatever you make, so don't bother in the 1st place if you are just going to try and trash someone about it. Secondly, yorick. You release a program of a friends, when someone gives you competition, you throw insults about? How old are you? 12? You released a program which is in direct competion with a member which is suppose to have a lot of respect here. You expected a bright flower show at your feet on release. Finally, everyone moaning about it containing virus's and how bad it is compared to the "previous version". Tough. You have 2 options. 1) Sandboxie 2) buy the guides if you feel you are been treat unfair. Got to love the "I did it 1st and i'm going to cry about it till the others take it offline" attitude. It's pathetic.

In some parts, i agree with you.

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It's pretty ironic that you are moaning about someone "stealing" your guides, when your program was basically stealing guides from zygor.

I'm not really moaning. If people are using my program, i make the rules. If anyone breaks the rules, it's my right to ban him fro using it. I'm a legal customer at Zygor and all i do is sharing the stuff i paid for with other people. However, this isnt fair, too.

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Secondly, yorick. You release a program of a friends, when someone gives you competition, you throw insults about? How old are you? 12? You released a program which is in direct competion with a member which is suppose to have a lot of respect here. You expected a bright flower show at your feet on release.

Afaik, i've never said, that this release isnt any problem for me. People just got me wrong (including yorick). All i said was, that i'll discontinue my work. I didnt say it, because it hurt my feelings, that anyone tries to take my seat :) I said that, because i didnt knew, that this thing here is NOT a cracked Zygor Client. I've expected, that my work becomes useless, if a cracked Guide Downloader exists.

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Got to love the "I did it 1st and i'm going to cry about it till the others take it offline" attitude. It's pathetic.

I've never said that and i'll never say that.

@littlewierdo

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The only difference is, Yorick is doing what he / she SHOULD be and allowing this to be distributed. Granted, Im not throwing it all over the net, just giving the actual guides themselves after I download them to several of my friends who are mac users.

You are a hypocrite. You can ask all my users. I've never said, that you are not allowed to share it with your friends, your mom or your boyfriend (and yes, i know that you are male...). What you did, was something else. You shared it with another leecher without the knowledge, that i track the downloads.

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I also like the fact that user information isnt being put into the guides to 'track' who uploads what to where. Completely was the wrong policy by WhoKnowsIt

That's my right. And i bet that you dont know, that Zygor does the same. What exactly do you call "user information"? All i did was to store your HWID in a file, where people like you wouldnt expect it (reversed, so people cant find it if they're using a stupid program). Zygor stores the customer id in their guides to track "illegal" shares. It's their right, too.

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Oh, and by the way, completely FAILED to disclose that personal identifiable information that could be tracked back to a specific user was being included in the guides themselves using a shitty hashing algorithm (known as an MD5 hash). This hashing algorithm has already been considered unsecure in the security industry and should NOT be used for anything other than a checksum for non-sensitive data (like ripping cds, verifying non-sensitive files copied correctly, etc.)

You have no clue, what you're talking about. I've asked you in the past and i'll ask you again: What do you think, does this MD5-Hash contain? Nothing! It cant be used for anything and it does not contain your name, your ip address or anything else, that would identify you. This hash is a combination of your volume serial number (which is generated randomly while installing windows and which can be changed with simple tools) and the so called "CurrentHWProfileGUID". Only god knows, what exactly it is. Just check this out: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

The HWID system does not force you to use this information. You could also use a randomly generated MD5-Hash from here => [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] - The effect is the same. It's just used for a developer to identify the user itself (username, user rank, postcount, registration date).

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The real reason people want 'credit' here is for donations. WhoKnowsIt and the distributor of Dugi's stuff didnt purchase (at least, in their entirety) those guides themselves, they took donations

That's just wrong. I want 'credit', because i do the work. I'm continuously upgrading my stuff and i take care for my users. And about the purchase... This are words from people who havent contributed in any way. You have no idea, how many has been donated and how many i've paid for myself. And i dont see any reason to risk my license just because i'm a friendly person, who's sharing the paid stuff, that most people here cannot (or dont want) afford.

I always said, that would never buy that stuff for myself. I've never used the Zygor addon and i'll never use it. But others do, so i decided to find a way of getting/sharing it without buying it just from my own money (i'm not jesus).

And now, people are glad, that they contributed, because now i "contribute" to them. While you all are waiting for yorick to publish the new versions, all my contributors are already able to download it. That's how it works. I dont take the contributions to get a new mobile phone or some porn. I'm currently using it to build something new, related to the old project.

I dont have to do this. I could also just keep, what i got and say goodbye. But i'm not greedy like some other people here.

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and CONTINUED to take donations after they were paid for.

You sound insanely jealous. What's wrong with donating for good work? I dont force anyone to donate. People do this to "thank" me for what i do and not because they have to. Everyone here was able to download the guides or to use my program. If he/she donated, or not.

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Do I like this method of running an exe to get updates? No, not really. I dont really see the big deal with uploading the file to a mediafire and posting a link, it takes about a minute of time.

In this case, get it for yourself and share it like mentioned by yourself. ZygorDDL was just a little project to supplement my programming skills. Have you ever seen the first version(s) if it? No HWID stuff or anything. Just a pure downloader.

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But considering this method is 'hopefully' automatic, we shouldnt have to worry about anything in the future, their script updates the guides automatically, we run the exe and get the updates. Pretty straight forward.

No comment. You better read, what you wrote, before.

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But if WhoKnowsIt was still putting links up, Id probably just keep grabbing them from the link...

Everyone was allowed to.

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Its also in ANYONE ELSE's RIGHT to come up with their own method of distributing the guides.

Sure. I've never said anything else. But it's also my right to stop people like you from using/downloading what i share.

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@littlewierdo You are a hypocrite. You can ask all my users. I've never said, that you are not allowed to share it with your friends, your mom or your boyfriend (and yes, i know that you are male...). What you did, was something else. You shared it with another leecher without the knowledge, that i track the downloads.

From a PM still in my inbox directly quoting from you:

"You shared my guides and that's why you have been banned a week ago."

And of course, I cant find the original text that stated that 'distribution of the guide is strictly prohibited' because all of threads vanished or were edited.

And dont even start making the claim that I personally uploaded that file, I did not.

BUT, we do still have this:

"As long as ZygorDDL isnt working, you are allowed to share the guides."

So no sharing if it is working? (hint, this directly contradicts your statement)

Holy christ, your rules are more complicated than the DMCA. I mean, you can share it this way but not that way? WTF??

And lets clarify, there was NOTHING in your OP that said ANYTHING about sharing with people you know, ONLY that distributing the guide was against the rules. Funny how this changed all of a sudden.

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That's my right. And i bet that you dont know, that Zygor does the same. What exactly do you call "user information"? All i did was to store your HWID in a file, where people like you wouldnt expect it (reversed, so people cant find it if they're using a stupid program). Zygor stores the customer id in their guides to track "illegal" shares. It's their right, too.

Actually, I do know this is what Zygor does. But we arent talking about what they do, we are talking about what YOU were doing.

I called it 'user information' incorrectly, but funny, no quote where I initially called it personally identifiable information. If you need me to explain this, lets just say all one with much better hacking skills than I need do is look right here on the forums and obtain access to the database of its users.

Im not happy that Zygor does this either. But the CORRECT way to handle this would be to do what nearly every other person who shares copyrighted material does and strip this information out and not add anything of your own.

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You have no clue, what you're talking about. I've asked you in the past and i'll ask you again: What do you think, does this MD5-Hash contain? Nothing! It cant be used for anything and it does not contain your name, your ip address or anything else, that would identify you. This hash is a combination of your volume serial number (which is generated randomly while installing windows and which can be changed with simple tools) and the so called "CurrentHWProfileGUID". Only god knows, what exactly it is. Just check this out: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] The HWID system does not force you to use this information. You could also use a randomly generated MD5-Hash from here => [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] - The effect is the same. It's just used for a developer to identify the user itself (username, user rank, postcount, registration date).

Do you know what personally identifiable information means? Do you control the epvpers forum database of its users? All one need know is two bits of information, the HWID and the website, both of which were easily obtained right out of your little program. With these two bits of information and a little bit of hacking skill, you have access to every users information on this site and can very easily determine who each person is. A bit more tail chasing and you can determine who exactly is downloading the guides. From there, you have an easy lawsuit against everyone who downloaded the thing.

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That's just wrong. I want 'credit', because i do the work. I'm continuously upgrading my stuff and i take care for my users. And about the purchase... This are words from people who havent contributed in any way. You have no idea, how many has been donated and how many i've paid for myself. And i dont see any reason to risk my license just because i'm a friendly person, who's sharing the paid stuff, that most people here cannot (or dont want) afford.

Well, since your donations arent public, there is no way to verify this one way or the other.

Your 'users'? Really? Give me a break.

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And now, people are glad, that they "thanked" me, because now i "thank" them. While you all are waiting for yorick to publish the new versions, all my contributors are already able to download it. That's how it works. I dont take the contributions to get a new mobile phone or some porn. I'm currently using it to build something new, related to the old project.

Actually, I have the latest version, Im a legit customer.

Yes, you have the latest version up right now. But there have been numerous times when you were NOT up to date for several days at a time. I dont hold this against you, I dont expect anyone to check hourly for updates.

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You sound insanely jealous. What's wrong with donating for good work? I dont force anyone to donate. People do this to "thank" me for what i do and not because they have to. Everyone here was able to download the guides or to use my program. If he/she donated, or not.

Mac users? No

People not wanting to run a random exe from a website? No

That excludes alot of people.

(see bolded text in your quote)

Really? hmm. Do I need to explain this?

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In this case, get it for yourself and share it like mentioned by yourself. ZygorDDL was just a little project to supplement to my programming skills. Have you ever seen the first version(s) if it? No HWID stuff or anything. Just a pure downloader.

Right, but then your ego got out of control and you wanted to start tracking people. Get over yourself.

See, the way you were handling it was fine. Putting it up on mediafire, putting a link, people downloaded. No tracking, no duchebaggery. But, because someone stole the thunder and put an alternative method, you IMMEDIATELY jumped up and down making stupid claims that they were copying you.

See post #15 which I will quote here for the record:

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"Looks like they just took the guides i provided and spread them with their tool. If not, you all should receive an update, soon "

Then we go to post #18 where you freely admit AFTER MAKING THE CLAIM that they were copying you, now you DONT know:

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That's what i mean. I've expected something else. However, i dont know what they're doing and what not.

And then finally, post #22:

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There's no need to be angry about him or his friend. They just "cracked" the original updater. However - He said, that they're not using my files. That's why i closed my thread and why i'm currently not planning to continue.

A perfect opportunity to apologize for making assumptions BUT your ego is to big for that.

"Waaahhh!! Im not the exclusive source anymore, Waaahhh!!

Im taking my ball and going home."

Actions speak louder than words and here we have no exception to that rule.

In the end.. We were having actual updates and a active "support" my Whoknowsit, from whom i downloaded until this "war" without a problem, and now we have nothing.. Great. And yes i can't buy and can't donate because i can't it's not because i don't want.
Great Stuff :|

Okay, it makes no sense to discuss this further with you.

Just one last thing:

You quoted my 3 posts. Fine. But it seems, that you didnt understand, that it was completely okay for me, that yorick published his program. You dont understand, that i just stopped because it makes no sense to me to continue, if there's a cracked version of the original downloader.

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"Looks like they just took the guides i provided and spread them with their tool. If not, you all should receive an update, soon "

I've stopped releasing and their downloader did not provide any update (although a new version of the guides has been released in the meanwhile). So, it did not work as i've expected and for me it looked like what i wrote.

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That's what i mean. I've expected something else. However, i dont know what they're doing and what not.

See my previous answer. I've just expected a cracked Zygor client which provides the latest version as soon as it's avaiable through the original downloader.

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There's no need to be angry about him or his friend. They just "cracked" the original updater. However - He said, that they're not using my files. That's why i closed my thread and why i'm currently not planning to continue.

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A perfect opportunity to apologize for making assumptions BUT your ego is to big for that.

I dont have to excuse anything. I've requested the closure of my thread because that's what i thought from the first minute: "They just "cracked" the original updater. However - He said, that they're not using my files.".

So who wins and loses in this war? I know for sure that we lose...who got the guides from Whoknowsit , I whish I could play fair but i currently don't have around 200$ for the guides..

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Originally Posted by Ruffs In the end.. We were having actual updates and a active "support" my Whoknowsit, from whom i downloaded until this "war" without a problem, and now we have nothing.. Great. And yes i can't buy and can't donate because i can't it's not because i don't want. Great Stuff :|

Funny, no one remembers the three days there was an updated version to what whoknowsit had up. Again, the ONE thing Im NOT holding against whoknowsit, just asking that people be fair here.

Be patient, I have no idea how this thing works or how frequently they update the guides, Im personally not using it.

This 'war' was started by whoknowsit and his horde. This is an alternative method to which these guys were accused of copying with no apologies.

And no, you dont have 'nothing', you have a version that is 1 day old with nothing really all that significant changed (the patch notes are identical to the earlier 5331 version). Geeze, if I complained to the hacker community every time an update came out for something and didnt have it within an hour of its release, Id be told to fuck off. The sense of entitlement people have.

Version: 4.0.5333
Released on: October 29th, 2012
[B] Dailies/Reps
Added a new quest in The Order of the Cloud Serpent

[A] Leveling
Fixed waypoints in the Dwarf leveling section.

[B] Achievements
Solved an issue that was causing To all the squirrels to skip steps.