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dude, i dont care if i have your respect or not it really doesnt bother me, i had respected everyone in level 2 untill you guys decided to boot me back down. so i dont give a flying fuck about your respect.

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Originally Posted by Mr_PoP I NEVER ASKED YOU TO TEACH ME CODE , I was basically asking you how would I code this the correct way since you are an old coder so you know more than I do, but as I said your SIMPLE ANSWER WAS FIGURE IT YOUR SELF YOU NEVER POINTED ME ANYWHERE! and let me remind you who am I , "am that EGYPTIAN guy who asked your advice but you ignored and humiliated him , and when I was telling you it's so fucking hard here to learn programming you were saying stop complaining work your ass hard and find it out yourself as I did , no one helped me bla bla bla " so what happened now , CAN'T YOU FIND IT YOUR SELF?!!!

I found you on my msn. Quick scan of the oh so many messages from a year ago refresh my memory on who you are. You're the guy that kept bugging me nonstop about C++ learning and MySQL statements. Emphasis on nonstop. What I kept directing you to was [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] tutorials that you claimed to have read, but could not apply. I help those who make an effort.


You tried to do what everyone else tries to do in this community. Your first project was to be a CO server. Right when I figured that's what you wanted to do, I no longer had an interest in helping you with every. single. small. thing.

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1/2011 8:54:25 PM Mr_PoP Zero yeah, u have my word u will find me a good coder 1/1/2011 8:54:40 PM Mr_PoP Zero thnx for ur time 1/1/2011 8:54:51 PM Mr_PoP Zero i appreciate it 1/1/2011 8:55:03 PM Zero Mr_PoP np, now go learn it lol 1/1/2011 8:55:11 PM Mr_PoP Zero lol i am 1/1/2011 8:55:12 PM Mr_PoP Zero :) 1/1/2011 8:55:38 PM Mr_PoP Zero would it be gay if i got stucked and asked u for help xD

Then, HUNDREDS OF LINES. Guess of what? You asking me every little thing possible. Like

1/24/2011 7:36:47 PM Mr_PoP Zero 0xAB << means wat!!
1/24/2011 11:03:46 PM Mr_PoP Zero do u know aonther way to decrypt instead if xor?
1/25/2011 10:58:26 PM Mr_PoP Zero can u enter in my pc and make ur source runing?!
2/20/2011 12:52:37 AM Mr_PoP Zero is it normaly every new connection the program take new space in memory?
2/21/2011 4:36:12 PM Mr_PoP Zero hey after sending the authinfo to the client and the client respond by connecting to the gameserver , what is the next step?

You learn the basics then go from there. You were trying to do brain surgery fresh out of high school.

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Originally Posted by bone-you K. You don't want people to profit off of what you make. You don't belong on the theorhetical team then. Simple as that. You should join TQ's team instead where they can complain about YOU GUYS making money off THEIR hard work. Wait what? Role reversal? Wait... what? You steal from another company as a group of people trying to prevent TQ from making money (making pservers) and expect your own little group of people to be totally honest regarding you? It's all part of the territory. Take the good with the bad. Releasing anything will have its negative side with the leechers. There is nothing you can do about it (except hoard it of course) but it WOULD help those that are not leechers.

Okay, TQ makes way more money than anyone in the community. It's different when the people who leeched your work are making far more money than you. Plus, I'm in private server development for the learning experience and because I'm extremely familiar with the game.

I help those that aren't leechers. I'm not going to put the information I've worked hard for out there for the whole public when there are only a few who deserve it. Call me selfish, but I'm completely rational about this.

If you want to start an open source project again, do it, because obviously no one else is interested in sparking open source development. I might occasionally help out.

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Originally Posted by _DreadNought_ Uhhh only against bin servers :s

Still hurts the communty. Gives a bad impression that the devs of this community are not here to help but hurt. What purpose could it even serve? Let's set the community against each other!

I've experienced this sort of thing first hand way back in HB where servers would develop hacks for other servers just to take them out. All code was kept secret after I left the scene. It was server vs server and not in a pvp sense but all out warfare where people would ddos each other, try to hack each other. All it did was hurt the community. It has no place.

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Originally Posted by Ultimation dude, i dont care if i have your respect or not it really doesnt bother me, i had respected everyone in level 2 untill you guys decided to boot me back down. so i dont give a flying fuck about your respect.

Wasn't me who decided. I wasn't even aware most people lost Lv2 until after it had happened. Lv2 as well as UG is pretty much a ghost town.

@[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]: how can they make more money than you when they don't even have enough skills to get the new stuff themselves? i mean its like you guys are good at this and everyone else is leeching, yet they make more money. how? i still don't get it

Gratz on mod

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Originally Posted by bone-you It was server vs server and not in a pvp sense but all out warfare where people would ddos each other, try to hack each other. All it did was hurt the community.

That sounds suspiciously similar to this community...

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Originally Posted by Lateralus Okay, TQ makes way more money than anyone in the community. It's different when the people who leeched your work are making far more money than you. Plus, I'm in private server development for the learning experience and because I'm extremely familiar with the game. I help those that aren't leechers. I'm not going to put the information I've worked hard for out there for the whole public when there are only a few who deserve it. Call me selfish, but I'm completely rational about this. If you want to start an open source project again, do it, because obviously no one else is interested in sparking open source development. I might occasionally help out.

"Banks make a ton of money, so it's ok to rob them"

It doesn't work. These "random retards" people always call them who make so much more money than you, how do they do it? Obviously they do something better than you. Instead of taking your ball and going home, analyze what they do better and in turn, do it better than them. Problem solved. Now your server makes more money and theirs makes less. This "I have stuff and you can't have it" only hurts the community. The only people who would do that are those who fear the competition. They know someone will come up with a better server and either beat them or reduce their own server pop.

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Originally Posted by bone-you I found you on my msn. Quick scan of the oh so many messages from a year ago refresh my memory on who you are. You're the guy that kept bugging me nonstop about C++ learning and MySQL statements. Emphasis on nonstop. What I kept directing you to was [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] tutorials that you claimed to have read, but could not apply. I help those who make an effort. You tried to do what everyone else tries to do in this community. Your first project was to be a CO server. Right when I figured that's what you wanted to do, I no longer had an interest in helping you with every. single. small. thing. Then, HUNDREDS OF LINES. Guess of what? You asking me every little thing possible. Like 1/24/2011 7:36:47 PM Mr_PoP Zero 0xAB << means wat!! 1/24/2011 11:03:46 PM Mr_PoP Zero do u know aonther way to decrypt instead if xor? 1/25/2011 10:58:26 PM Mr_PoP Zero can u enter in my pc and make ur source runing?! 2/20/2011 12:52:37 AM Mr_PoP Zero is it normaly every new connection the program take new space in memory? 2/21/2011 4:36:12 PM Mr_PoP Zero hey after sending the authinfo to the client and the client respond by connecting to the gameserver , what is the next step? You learn the basics then go from there. You were trying to do brain surgery fresh out of high school.

yeah true , but those proves what you get sentences from the main topic , when I was asking those questions was for a specific reason , and who told you that CO was my 1st project YOU just guessed it , when I was asking you about decryption/encryption etc.. that's because I never worked with something like that before , and if you really was interesting in sharing you would help me , and about me thanking you , yeah but if you checked why I was thanking you for you will find it something I shouldn't mention , but I respected you , and in turn you didn't , I have no personal issues with you but only one thing is really bugging me :-

You kept saying figure it out yourself why now your w8ing ppl to do that for you?

EDIT: those questions like year an half ago , now am better with C++/C#/Java.

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Originally Posted by bone-you "Banks make a ton of money, so it's ok to rob them"

A shocking similar in magnitude and relevant analogy!

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Originally Posted by bone-you It doesn't work. These "random retards" people always call them who make so much more money than you, how do they do it? Obviously they do something better than you. Instead of taking your ball and going home, analyze what they do better and in turn, do it better than them. Problem solved. Now your server makes more money and theirs makes less. This "I have stuff and you can't have it" only hurts the community. The only people who would do that are those who fear the competition. They know someone will come up with a better server and either beat them or reduce their own server pop.

I know what they do better - their servers promise easy rates, with very little staying power, since although they promise all of these new features, they mooch donations for a month or so until they shut down. Furthermore, they have more time to advertise and manage the community since they aren't programming... Why should I help these people?

Literally, the only advantage I have against them is by programming features that aren't publicly released and making my (non-public) source more efficient than the public ones, because if I give them mine, there's no way I can compete with them... or can I? Enlighten me.


@m7mdxlife - Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Mr_PoP yeah true , but those proves what you get sentences from the main topic , when I was asking those questions was for a specific reason , and who told you that CO was my 1st project YOU just guessed it , when I was asking you about decryption/encryption etc.. that's because I never worked with something like that before , and if you really was interesting in sharing you would help me , and about me thanking you , yeah but if you checked why I was thanking you for you will find it something I shouldn't mention , but I respected you , and in turn you didn't , I have no personal issues with you but only one thing is really bugging me :- You kept saying figure it out your self why now your w8ing ppl to do that for you?

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1/1/2011 8:51:06 PM Mr_PoP Zero ummm.... okey, but when i said that i want u to tell me somthing to do , i was just like dont have somthing in my mind to work on 1/1/2011 8:51:11 PM Mr_PoP Zero i was workin on 1/1/2011 8:51:14 PM Mr_PoP Zero to make a server 1/1/2011 8:51:18 PM Mr_PoP Zero bt as u see 1/1/2011 8:51:19 PM Zero Mr_PoP tutorials 1/1/2011 8:51:23 PM Mr_PoP Zero am a failuer 1/1/2011 8:51:30 PM Zero Mr_PoP if you can't learn on your own like i did follow the tutorials 1/1/2011 8:51:53 PM Zero Mr_PoP msdn is your friend 1/1/2011 8:51:53 PM Zero Mr_PoP [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

This thread isn't to repost chat logs, but you were the one who told me you wanted to make a server.

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Originally Posted by nTL3fTy That sounds suspiciously similar to this community...

History repeats itself. Servers against servers. This community should be working together. Just remember how it came to be. TQ was being their usual money hungry selves, so pservers were made to break off from TQ. Now the community is fighting amongst themselves and i'm sure TQ is just laughing away as their sales are higher than ever I'm sure with each new patch and new cash shop items released. They don't need to DMCA or sue anyone here. You guys take care of their problem for them.

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Originally Posted by bone-you This thread isn't to repost chat logs, but you were the one who told me you wanted to make a server.

OMG yeah dude , I learned the basics made small projects , was playing CO so I thought yeah why not try to make one now since am started to learn coding whats wrong with that? besides this thread is not for what happened between us , forgot what happened!

just answer my question "you were stressing to find everything myself why now you don't want to do the same"?

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Originally Posted by Mr_PoP OMG yeah dude , I learned the basics made small projects , was playing CO so I thought yeah why not try to make one now since am started to learn coding whats wrong with that? besides this thread is not for what happened between us , forgot what happened! just answer my question "you were stressing to find everything myself why now you don't want to do the same"?

You were ultimately asking me how to code a server for you, asking me to get my sources working properly for you via teamviewer. You were making little effort at that time to even learn bugging me with questions day and night.

What I am doing is asking why people hoard information. I'm not asking someone to code for me like you were. You were asking to learn a tradeskill. I am asking to not reinvent the wheel. The information required to do certain things is out there, but no one's sharing. Apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by bone-you What I am doing is asking why people hoard information. I'm not asking someone to code for me like you were. You were asking to learn a tradeskill. I am asking to not reinvent the wheel. The information required to do certain things is out there, but no one's sharing. Apples and oranges.

I know you're perfectly capable of getting the new cryptography yourself, so since everyone who has it is hoarding it, why don't you get it and release it to the community instead of complaining about how shitty we are as developers because we hoard things?

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Originally Posted by Lateralus I know you're perfectly capable of getting the new cryptography yourself, so since no one else is sparking open development, why don't you get it and release it to the community instead of complaining about how shitty we are as developers?

I'm not saying anyone's a shitty developer. I myself though, am a shitty assembly dev. Asking me to open IDA or Olly is a joke. Sure, I can analyze it a little bit and make use of some IDA plugins to port asm to some sort of readable c++, but trying to figure things like encryption out via it... just far beyond me.

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Originally Posted by bone-you You were ultimately asking me how to code a server for you, asking me to get my sources working properly for you via teamviewer. You were making little effort at that time to even learn bugging me with questions day and night. What I am doing is asking why people hoard information. I'm not asking someone to code for me like you were. You were asking to learn a tradeskill. I am asking to not reinvent the wheel. The information required to do certain things is out there, but no one's sharing. Apples and oranges.

I NEVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE ASKED ANYONE TO CODE FOR ME!
I asked you to make your server online through teamviewer whats wrong with that it's your source after all, I was noob that something I will never be ashamed of , I was asking too many question will never be ashamed of that also , was finding the old/good coder and ask his help/advice something I will never be ashamed of , so proving that I was noob wont change the fact that your now asking ppl to share stuff which they worked hard to figure it out themselves , while you can do the same and find it yourself!!!