ELZLOADER, a modern Lua Injector for Elsword

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Originally Posted by TheReifer Hello, XJapan! How is going? I hope you are doing fine with your developing. I know much about your project, I have done a deep analysis and many users seems to find the same behaviors in your executables. Your cheat is actually a malware. A malware is not necessarly something that can grab your credentials, deface your Windows OS, interrupt your Internet network connection, modify your registry keys and something like that, but I can see that your ElsCheats (also called Esword Hack) is patching "x2.exe" to have a custom behavior. Did you learn how to inject your own things into it? Maybe yes, you as a good reverser. This won't be to be a dox or something like that, it's just an analysis. I can see by WireShark and Fiddler that x2.exe, even without ElsCheats, is communicating to your servers even without the permission of the users. Do you know that this, in some countries, will be much illegal? I am not telling that you are going to jail and be arrested, we know that this will not never happen, but you must have a good ethic and trasparency with your customers, this at least. We all remember your advertising system that was something crap and annoying in the users PC. Fortunately, you removed them, as your plan to transform your cheat from totally free to totally premium is become real. Are you liking the money? If you wanted to do that from the start and wanted initially to gain the trust of the users, you were able to do that from the start of the project, not years later, but you took your decision to do it and I can't deny that is a good thing to sell your thing. Your cheat is unstable and crashy. I don't understand why you are "trolling" your users with: premium cheats are stable, free are not stable. So, when the cheat was free, you were not dedicating all the possible time to it to fix crashes? This is a good question, I don't know the answer. The fact is that you are now making the cheat totally stable with premium. I know you were able since 2016 to do it, but I know something from your Administrators that maybe broke relationships with you. I know that you had (and you probably have one too) a private version of your cheat to share with your Administrators (Drake, Det, Yoda, and so on if there are more) with many more cheats (some of them have high chance to be patched or be potentially a ban risk) like "Item Spawning" and "Monster Summoning" and I confirm that because this was said by your Administrators, you can not lie about that, have to admit that you have something powerful than the actual cheat. Why not offering that good cheats at a high price? Item Spawning could be worth around 300 USD and more. MoonLoader, LunaLoader, and MavisLoader were g(old) projects that existed for a while. You know that you can not their DLLs until you do not have access to the source, because there is a security system in the pipe that prevents to users from accessing to it directly, and it can not be bypassed if you do not own the algorithm to do it. There are three messages in the pipe: two messages are known from "MoonLoaderCP.jar" but the other one is obtained from the two mentioned before with a special algorithm that can not be recognized as it is possibly custom made by the author "Joni-St/Jonathan/Juliap/Inaste/also a dev for ESEmu that discovered the encryption keys and the LuaJIT OPCodes Table". XJapan, this is not the right place to do advertising, you must go anywhere else but not here or your cheat will be killed by me. The "EU Client" will pass to x64 maybe in 6 months, we don't know. I am actually working on the change for x64 for NA and the other servers that have the x64 (so it's a common thing of them) with the relative complications because I had to re-do the entire project (DLLs + main loader + speedhack) in x64 and this was not easy. If you are a real dev, you know that passing from x86 to x64 and changing everything in a project like that is not that easy but possible. " (we all know that the Dll is old copied from Joni-St)." demonstrate it, I am waiting only for you and many other people that are accusing me without any proof. Your reputation is ruined if you can not prove anything.

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Originally Posted by xjapanbrasil TheReifer please stop giving your users hopes, you and I both know that it is not possible to produce a new dll without the author's source code, you have no idea how the source code was written inside the Dll, so please speak up the truth! The proof that you copied Joni's Dll is stamped here in this thread, I am a programmer and I know the difficulty of copying a Dll doing reverse engineering and I reverse engineered Joni's Dll and I know that it is not possible to produce a copy of the source code And about Elscheat for x64 we remove ALL CRASH OF ALL OPTIONS! that we can guarantee! We are only receiving compliments. And about Malware i have no reason to add this, we are transparent with all users, we have never had a report of a virus attack using elscheat.

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Originally Posted by TheReifer I don't understand why many of you do not understand the definition of "programming". Do you know that something that already exists can be programmed, maybe understanding its behavior? I studied a solution in order to arrive to make a Lua Injector, it is a difficult thing to do, I know and I understand that, it requires much time depending on the game, the Lua engine that was used, the chance that a custom Lua opcodes table was used, a protected Lua environment, getting the Lua state... you understood me, I think. Joni-St is not a god, he's a programmer like me and you and I am able to program that thing. I can obviously can not give you the proofs about that, which would be equal to sending the source code of my own DLL written in C++. You know that I can't do that. I know that you can not trust me, and I can not trust you too, but you have to understand that if you are a programmer and a able game cheater you can arrive to do it. I am also trying to find a way to exclude the chance of injecting a DLL and instead of that inject the Lua file remotely from another process, you know that this would be good and it can be done in the Windows environment if you know and understand it at a good level. As you are also saying, this is a true thing, you can not get a source code from a DLL/EXE file because it was compiled as an assembly, and we both know that we have lots of datas (allocated static memory), header, PE, instructions (opcode & instruction) and so on. This means that you can not get the original source, but you can understand its behavior by debugging with OLLYDBG/IDA PRO/x64dbg/... I hope that you have fixed the crashes in ElsCheats x64, your cheat is a good thing for the users, and I hope that the malware thing was temporary, was only something that is not that dangerous. Could you now please let me know where are the proofs that I have copied & pasted the Joni-St's original DLL? I can't see them in this thread and anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by xjapanbrasil TheReifer I'm willing to buy your product and compare the Dlls between Joni's and your, doing reverse engineering to prove to everyone that it's a copy, are you willing to sell it to me? it's no use putting a keylogger because I'll know, it's no use protecting the Dll because I'll also be able to find out, I just want to take this proof to everyone!

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Originally Posted by TheReifer Reversing, decompiling, deobfuscating, debugging my product is FORBIDDEN. You can not do that, sorry, even if is for demonstrating that the DLL is not copied.

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Originally Posted by JackSocks The fact that xjapan came on here to boast. The guy is losing customers. The desperation is obvious and the coping is real. Popcorn if anyone wants. XD

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Originally Posted by xjapanbrasil Despair? you who should be desperate with the arrival of x64 and will have to use our Elscheat because there is a liar here who does not admit that the Dll is copied, now NA is x64, just need EU to reach x64 to close the moonloader

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Originally Posted by aglibuto is there a 1day trial or something before purchasing? or can u give a discount :P

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Originally Posted by ScytheKree free elsword hacks please

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Originally Posted by xjapanbrasil Despair? you who should be desperate with the arrival of x64 and will have to use our Elscheat because there is a liar here who does not admit that the Dll is copied, now NA is x64, just need EU to reach x64 to close the moonloader

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Originally Posted by TheReifer Hello. A trial of the product is not possible and forbidden because it can result in a possible abuse of the program in the meantime of the trial product which is something I don't want obtain. Also, discounts are actually not provided in ELZLOADER actually, they can be applied in special periods like the Christmas one but I do not offer discount to people which have a poor vault or particular financial needs.