The Truth

12/25/2009 23:30 Sasorikun#31
Having blackhats fuck that guy up seems darki got rly angry.
Well I'd be too.

But well as we all know precautions save your butt and shit like this doesn't happen in the first place.


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12/26/2009 11:48 Absolutivity#32
Seems like a typical plan.

Ah, fuck it. Couldn't find a mirror of insurgen.cc.

It's a classic sliding tactic.

More or less, Checkbox delivers.
12/27/2009 00:16 MabiRaccoon#33
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I just had an interesting conversation with a mate of mine. It was provoked by this [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...].

This is the theory that he had behind all of this, whether it's true or not is another story but I thought it was too interesting not to post about:

(This is a cleaned up version of it since the initial version was basically just me and him driving ideas at each other. Added minor commentary just cause.)

So Dark Raccoon has stated publically that Nexon doesn't really give a fuck about the modding situation and basically considered himself [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...].

Some time after that, Nexon implemented the [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] that has been the talk of the town as of late. Even then, Dark Raccoon didn't expect them to do [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...], even goading them by sending in his own mods.

Surprisingly, they ended up taking action. Even if Tzuan is not banned, it's possible another account (I'm sure all of us have alt accounts) of his (possibly the one who submitted the ticket) did get banned. Reading the [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] as referenced by [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...], it's apparent that they did act upon Dark Raccoon's provacation. Something did happen. It's really hard to deny at this point.

Therefore, upon realizing that Nexon was actually serious about the mod crackdown (I was pretty [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] too), he goes nuts and takes it out on his forum in an "[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]" type of manner. Although he was the one doing the provacations, he probably blamed the community that it happened. I don't know his usual style of speech, but if it changed, I assume it was because he was angry. It was a pretty angry post. Especially angry if it involved selling out the community to Nexon. Just my opinion.

Now here's where the story gets interesting. At some point in the chaos, the head admin steps in, [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...], and the Dark Raccoon account is now banned.

Ultimately, the plan to kill the board has failed. Seeing that, he decides to draft up a [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] about being keylogged in hopes to regain his trust in the community and possibly his moderator powers (to finish the job?).

It actually is a very smart plan. He talked about comparing IPs which means that the attacker could've had a different IP than Dark Raccoon's usual IP, but wouldn't that also mean that Dark Raccoon himself could've just went to a different location or used a proxy for this? There is a reasonable suspicion that Dark Raccoon could've just done this under a different IP just so he could deny it in the case someone tried to stop him. It is possible he used a proxy. You can't really be involved with blackhats and not know how to use a proxy, it just makes no sense.

If he was hacked, why did the hacker not take credit for his work? Why did he make it appear that Dark Raccoon did it himself? It makes no sense. This goes against hacker mentality in every sense. What did he have to gain by wrecking a forum only to see it restored if he was to get nothing out of it? How did he manage to infect Dark Raccoon of all people with a keylogger and why only target this forum instead of going after serious things like his bank account or other critical information? It's highly unusual when you read about the types of things hackers do.

Anyways, whether the above story is true or whether he actually did get keylogged, I imagine only the suspected hacker and Dark Raccoon really knows the truth. Me and my mate are conspiracy nuts and when he discussed this theory to me, I thought it was too awesome not to post about. I hope it entertains everyone as much as it did me.

Personally, even with both stories, there's just too many unknowns. The situation is just too unusual, even the timing was odd. Even with all of the information presented, the only people who really knows The Truth are Dark Raccoon himself and this suspected hacker (not my place whether to say he or she exists).

Even in the best case scenario and Dark Raccoon really did hacked, who is to say that the OP is really Dark Raccoon and not the hacker trying to get moderator power back to hit us again? What if he really did hack the Tzuan account (it is possible if he got his Elitepvpers account that he also got his Mabinogi account) for the sole purpose of engineering this "I got hacked" story just so he could repeat all of this? If there really is a hacker and he is really doing this, that guy must really be dedicated to the job. It must take an extreme amount of patience just to take down this forum. Keylogging the moderator, killing the board, deceiving everyone into getting mod powers back, and possibly killing the board again? Seriously, this might as well be a movie.

In the end, there really is not enough information to make an educated opinion on the situation.

If there really is a hacker who keylogged Dark Raccoon, I think it's the guy who has been harassing MabiMods, Ferghus or whatever alias he is going by these days. I hope it's that guy, he's a jerk.

Anyways, we're probably just over-thinking the issue (this is what bored people do on Christmas Eve and yes, we had nothing better to do). After the discussion was finished, I just thought it was too cool and movie-like not to post on the forum. It's not meant to offend Dark Raccoon or anyone else, just couldn't resist posting this theory since it was really entertaining. Basically, whatever gets our mind off the fact that Nexon now has our names and our mods (noo!!!!). Lately, I have just been checking my accounts and hoping that no more of them are banned. One of my alt accounts got banned this morning (you shouldn't be doling out bans the day before Christmas, Nexon :(). I hope it is not related to this, it surely would make a bad omen *knocks on wood*.
Thats one possible Theory, yes.
I cant prove that I got keylogged, you'll just have to trust me on that matter.
Those who know me probably know that I really did get keylogged.

The Account that got banned was just a Botting Alt that I also used for the official Forums. Nexon knows that its not my main Account, so they probably just wanted to show the Players that they are doing something, although they really arent.

I found out who the Hacker was, however, after I keylogged him without his Knowledge (Well, NOW he probably knows.), I figured that he is just a Skiddy.
I decided not to do anything bad, because considering that he really is just using public FUD Crap, it would just be overkill.

However, this still is a warning, because I got a RAT on his computer. Once he tries to pull any crap, Ill use it and reveal his Identity to the public.

The actual Dark Raccoon Account on Epvpers still isnt unbanned because I didnt get to talk to the Admins directly yet.

Oh, and btw, unlike some people thought, the Skiddie is not Ferghus/Blargh.
12/27/2009 00:56 Checkbox#34
The primary problem is that there's simply too many questions regarding the situation. Unless you're able to answer them with substantial proof, you just can't start expecting people to trust you again. Whether it was you or someone else, it's pretty clear that your account was used to attack the forum and sell us out to Nexon. That's a pretty hard wound to mend.

Now this is what I don't get, I was totally open to the fact you got keylogged. Although we had our problems, I can give you the benefit of the doubt. But when you say stuff like "I cant prove that I got keylogged, you'll just have to trust me on that matter" and "Once he tries to pull any crap, Ill use it and reveal his Identity to the public", you're sort of shaking even my belief in this whole "I got hacked" story.

If you're capable of providing evidence that would clear your name, do it. I fail to see why anyone would hold back on it. It makes absolutely no sense if you have the capability to end this whole thing that you have opted to protect the identity of the person who has harmed you. That's pretty freaking shady if you have to ask me.

Also, how do you know he is not Ferghus/Blaaargh? Does that mean you know who Ferghus/Blaaargh is? If you do, those guys at MabiMods would sure appreciate knowing. I would also appreciate knowing.

[A fun thing to note- There is a certain irony that the poster has named himself after a fake bypass. Just throwing it out there. :P]
12/27/2009 01:00 MabiRaccoon#35
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The primary problem is that there's simply too many questions regarding the situation. Unless you're able to answer them with substantial proof, you just can't start expecting people to trust you again. Whether it was you or someone else, it's pretty clear that your account was used to attack the forum and sell us out to Nexon. That's a pretty hard wound to mend.

Now this is what I don't get, I was totally open to the fact you got keylogged. Although we had our problems, I can give you the benefit of the doubt. But when you say stuff like "I cant prove that I got keylogged, you'll just have to trust me on that matter" and "Once he tries to pull any crap, Ill use it and reveal his Identity to the public", you're sort of shaking even my belief in this whole keylogged story.

If you're capable of providing evidence that would clear your name, do it. I fail to see why anyone would hold back on it. It makes absolutely no sense if you have the capability to end this whole thing that you have opted to protect the identity of the person who has harmed you. That's pretty freaking shady if you have to ask me.
I cant tell you who it is. If you knew who it is, you'd understand. :/
12/27/2009 01:15 Huynh.#36
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I cant tell you who it is. If you knew who it is, you'd understand. :/
It's Jesus isn't it.
12/27/2009 01:28 MabiRaccoon#37
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Also, how do you know he is not Ferghus/Blaaargh? Does that mean you know who Ferghus/Blaaargh is? If you do, those guys at MabiMods would sure appreciate knowing. I would also appreciate knowing.

[A fun thing to note- There is a certain irony that the poster has named himself after a fake bypass. Just throwing it out there. :P]
Because theres nothing on his Computer that relates to that guy, neither does his IP match the one I found when I fixed Mabizone back then.

Of course, maybe he is Ferghus/Blargh on a different Computer, or maybe he just didnt do anything Ferghus-Related in the time Ive watched him.
12/27/2009 01:34 Internetz#38
By taking a sceenshot of you on Tzuan or something with the date (right now) and saying some sort of pre-defined message you would destroy the "motives" people have been saying that made you want to clear the boards out and sell us out
12/27/2009 01:36 Checkbox#39
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It's Jesus isn't it.
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Because theres nothing on his Computer that relates to that guy, neither does his IP match the one I found when I fixed Mabizone back then.

Of course, maybe he is Ferghus/Blargh on a different Computer, or maybe he just didnt do anything Ferghus-Related in the time Ive watched him.
Why yes, that would be because he's on proxies. If he wasn't, MabiMods would've gotten rid of him long ago.

Come on, you know this. If you're dealing with blackhats, you should totally know this.
12/27/2009 01:44 MabiRaccoon#40
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Why yes, that would be because he's on proxies. If he wasn't, MabiMods would've gotten rid of him long ago.

Come on, you know this. If you're dealing with blackhats, you should totally know this.
Yea, he could use Proxies or a VPN. I still dont see why you would suspect him.


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By taking a sceenshot of you on Tzuan or something with the date (right now) and saying some sort of pre-defined message you would destroy the "motives" people have been saying that made you want to clear the boards out and sell us out
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12/27/2009 01:44 Checkbox#41
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By taking a sceenshot of you on Tzuan or something with the date (right now) and saying some sort of pre-defined message you would destroy the "motives" people have been saying that made you want to clear the boards out and sell us out
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The Account that got banned was just a Botting Alt that I also used for the official Forums.
If that was really Dark Raccoon, all he did was prove that the motive exists.

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Yea, he could use Proxies or a VPN. I still dont see why you would suspect him.
Well, he's the only viable known suspect. As stated before, I hope it is him. Also, he's pretty much the only person recently associated with spreading keyloggers.

It may not be him, but unless you happen to have substantial information, none of us are able to say with certainty that it is or is not him. All I can hope for is that we all have a common enemy. There just isn't enough information to tell us though.
12/27/2009 01:47 Rikkami#42
What actually happened was, some guy from MabiMods keylogged me
Who is this guy and in which forum he chills?
12/27/2009 01:52 Internetz#43
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What actually happened was, some guy from MabiMods keylogged me
Who is this guy and in which forum he chills?
Wait, what?

And, at Checkbox, who would go nuts over an alt account?
12/27/2009 01:57 Checkbox#44
Depends on the alt account. Not all of them are worthless. It could be a separate account for training an elf char or it could be holding a boatload of rares.

If you look at the other servers, there are even alts that are more famous than the main.

Dark Raccoon said himself that it was a bot account but the elitepvpers forum still got hosed and we were sold out. Not only that, he is protecting the identity of this "hacker"? Am I the only person who thinks there's something seriously wrong here? My mind is still trying to cope with that admission. I would be really interested in someone giving me an alternative perspective here.
12/27/2009 02:14 MabiRaccoon#45
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Wait, what?

And, at Checkbox, who would go nuts over an alt account?
Rikka meant who the Skiddy is and what Forum I am talking about.