wich char to play?

Impossible show me a scion with more than 80 ele resi after debuff archer or elem or mage resi elem . With shrine cap i got 73 elem resi so with HH helm : a bit more than 80 .
Phys resi same energy bolt ( the lowest resi debuff in game with zerk one ) decrease my phys resi to 60 - 65 ( got resi 8 on ring ) . So with -34 xD i got 8k crit easy .

I dont say scion is not a very god class , but we are not OP , and 20 k hp for a scion yea with kaligo stuff full asthal , and 3 slot ring neck helm . xD elem got same hp =) + heal for example and Much more elem resi ^^ ( and about critter i still remember drakan who took only 700 crit on def mode .. Summoner cant do this )

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Originally Posted by steph33 Impossible show me a scion with more than 80 ele resi after debuff archer or elem or mage resi elem . With shrine cap i got 73 elem resi so with HH helm : a bit more than 80 . Phys resi same energy bolt ( the lowest resi debuff in game with zerk one ) decrease my phys resi to 60 - 65 ( got resi 8 on ring ) . So with -34 xD i got 8k crit easy . I dont say scion is not a very god class , but we are not OP , and 20 k hp for a scion yea with kaligo stuff full asthal , and 3 slot ring neck helm . xD elem got same hp =) + heal for example and Much more elem resi ^^ ( and about critter i still remember drakan who took only 700 crit on def mode .. Summoner cant do this )

drakan gets over 4k crits by some critters and i get from zrks ~ 6,5k, from knights 4-13k crits (while scion has hh def for less accuracy and i think damage reduction on normal hits)
ele is shit when it comes to tanking believe me xD the only unique thing, the selfheal is nerfed anyways cause most magicans have it
Well look at Justice or Orasion on my server even without Kaligo stuff they have easily over 20k hp^^ i think gts in uniques + cap are standard
hm well mathematically on skills +9 scions have 99 ele res
15 by the Passive
30 from Abs Pants
24 HH Lv 90 Cap
Lv 6 Cloak -> 10
6% from Windfall Prayer Stone
14% from any kind of Faren Necklace
-> 99%
But when I tested it the summoners Ele res wouldn't go down below 80
Maybe he had a party buff or so idk <.<

hmm if you have 99% ele res full buffed no debuff you can go verry fast in negative with debuffs i think this will steph say for me i would say only kngiht can keep his 80% ele resi but most dont do it on maximum

mage can debuff almost everything but ele cant debuff ranger/archer/knight/ele/.. xD
to keep the 80%+ on a scion you might need ele res uniques

Windfall stoneis crap loool no one use it , cloack lvl 6 for scion is bad because royal cloack give rang up , hp mp . Without royal cloack scion dont have 20k hp . 99 % elem no . And with debuff 30% like you said before you dont go under 80 ? Hummmmm my maths are differente . A normal scion got 83% resi elem , maybe 88 if elem cloack in faren . So all resi elem debuff go under 80 and very easy , its why summoner is not difficult to hit hard with elem , mage hunter or archer . Phys resistance i like elem one. So if you want still have 80 resi elem need flying cloack ele on faren and so you hit like a noob . Because summoner full asthal got the lowest dmg elem .

Actually not summoners have way more ele dmg on ashtal than an ele has and they hit much harder^^ also they get only 1k dmg max 1,5k while ele gets 3-5k^^
on the other hand nowdays everyone trolls around on pt buffs anyways

Anyway ele has 4k+ heroic Dot which cannot be reduced or blocked. Yes if the ele is stuned it doesn't work but usually Dot starts before any hit so the only chance is stun by a skill. This is the main DPS from eles, so ele's only job is to get max resi crit resi evade block hp and np with self heal.

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Originally Posted by botpet Anyway ele has 4k+ heroic Dot which cannot be reduced or blocked. Yes if the ele is stuned it doesn't work but usually Dot starts before any hit so the only chance is stun by a skill. This is the main DPS from eles, so ele's only job is to get max resi crit resi evade block hp and np with self heal.

u sure ? ... its changed now ? i did knight on max stun chance and first normal hit was most time a stun so the ele was stunned and i dont get the dot

maby is changed now i stopped playing knight ... to manny noob kngihts here now lol

Well, i got it many times even if my first hit is stun. But if Shield bash is successful i dodn't get it. And as i saw ele can get great dodge (hestia + abs boots + eva pots/combi?).
Dodge is the best way to protect yourself from critters. Just look at swashes/hunters.
On the other hand ele DoT is usefulness against casters e.g. mages sorcs archer (if he stays far from you), rangers can get it easily if they jump on you; while scions can crit/stun easily which is good against everyone.

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Originally Posted by botpet Well, i got it many times even if my first hit is stun. But if Shield bash is successful i dodn't get it. And as i saw ele can get great dodge (hestia + abs boots + eva pots/combi?). Dodge is the best way to protect yourself from critters. Just look at swashes/hunters. On the other hand ele DoT is usefulness against casters e.g. mages sorcs archer (if he stays far from you), rangers can get it easily if they jump on you; while scions can crit/stun easily which is good against everyone.

Nop
Even on 80% dodge almsot every hit lands on my ele and on 80% crit def they strike me for 4k Crit plus as seen yesterday when fighting another knight from perverts that came out of nowhere ( i suppose with glor bellos/glor ohks and fearless 3/3 as always )
Heroic Damage increases the accuracy which is way too high anyways and even 4,4k dot wont hurt a normal knight
The dot is useful against classes which acidentally do normal hits like archers ^^ but what really needs to be done is a cleansing of stuff like ignore res and stun res and a complete rebalance

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Originally Posted by steph33 Windfall stoneis crap loool no one use it , cloack lvl 6 for scion is bad because royal cloack give rang up , hp mp . Without royal cloack scion dont have 20k hp . 99 % elem no . And with debuff 30% like you said before you dont go under 80 ? Hummmmm my maths are differente . A normal scion got 83% resi elem , maybe 88 if elem cloack in faren . So all resi elem debuff go under 80 and very easy , its why summoner is not difficult to hit hard with elem , mage hunter or archer . Phys resistance i like elem one. So if you want still have 80 resi elem need flying cloack ele on faren and so you hit like a noob . Because summoner full asthal got the lowest dmg elem .

Damn I have a lvl 6 windfall prayer stone :(

So steph33 you think royal cloak is better than an ele cloak lvl 6 :confused:
I don't have any of them so I ask.

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Originally Posted by Bornholm Damn I have a lvl 6 windfall prayer stone :( So steph33 you think royal cloak is better than an ele cloak lvl 6 :confused: I don't have any of them so I ask.

Royal is better for sure

OK but I had think about the elemental resistance, because I use fearless neck and not faren ;)

Windfall is uselles put asthal , summoner need max mana, 1k per hh skill is hard on 450 mana pots . Fearless is useless for summoner ( at the moment ) , if´slayer its good . Faren is good for royal cloack because of 14 % elem resi .