[Unofficial] World of Warcraft Unlockers and Bot Reviews

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Originally Posted by tryyyagain Best review on PS I've seen so far. And there was also that drama around their admin impersonating a girl to get more blind people to his cult. :confused:

I've heard this a couple of times, but obviously, there is no way to confirm it. However, I'm not against the product; In fact, I said nice things about it, I'm just against fabrication in all forms. People make statements that are untrue because they're overzealous about something, that ain't right.

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Originally Posted by 0x41^4 Also, I’ve been seeing talk about needing to use Hekili… and honestly, what’s the point of paying for PS if that’s the case? You can grab a $15 reader that’ll push your keys as long as they’re on your bar. If they’re truly relying on Hekili, I wouldn’t be throwing shade at other providers. Not being able to deliver your own competitive rotations is embarrassing.

i've asked that question to tamedbeast and he told me that im trolling and the subject might be too complex for me , so i had to give it a shot and yea the official rotation they make it just not good at all im doing much more dps using hekili and follow the rotation myself

Goose why dont you try make a better product with NN instead of spending so much time trashtalking the competition? This is just pathetic you know people will figure out for themselves when they test and compare, trashtalk takes you only so far.

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Originally Posted by Hypahypa Goose why dont you try make a better product with NN instead of spending so much time trashtalking the competition? This is just pathetic you know people will figure out for themselves when they test and compare, trashtalk takes you only so far.

Talking to the wrong person, maybe go to the NN discord and talk to the owner about that. I have no part in NN development.

Let me guess, you're here to be a white knight for PS?

P.S (No Pun Intended) NN is already a better product. **Opinion.

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Originally Posted by MSFathy i've asked that question to tamedbeast and he told me that im trolling and the subject might be too complex for me , so i had to give it a shot and yea the official rotation they make it just not good at all im doing much more dps using hekili and follow the rotation myself

See what you did, you brought out the PS fanboys onto my thread, look above, now they're going to accuse you of things that are untrue lmao.

Also, just to answer your original question, about why you should use automation, well, that's pretty simple, it's called repetition, people who parse Pinks/Orange are usually using automation, or they're like the 1% of the userbase that actually is obsessed with knowing their class inside and out, and have phenomanal manual play and that's not most of us. If you're just an average player and want to automate kicks or other mechanics in Mythic+, Raids or PVP, automation does that for you. A lot of people like to WSAD and do the bare minimum while watching Netflix on the other screen.

Now, "Can someone play the game better than automation?" Sure, PVP is a good example where most people can outplay botters, because there is a lot of logic behind PVP, and the situations are not always static, but rather dynamic, which bots are not always the best at. There are going to be things the bot can obviously excel at, based on how well the rotations and framework are coded, but most of the frameworks are just meh for PVP.

PVE is somewhat different since most of the gameplay is quite static; boss fights tend to be the same, mechanics are consistent, and the only dynamic aspects occur when the method for executing that content changes. Rotations in PVE are mostly similar; the best approaches usually depend on how effectively the frameworks manage mechanics in a quality-of-life manner, along with other quality-of-life features that enhance gameplay, and the performance of the framework and rotation code.

So to answer your question in simple terms, unless the rotations are poorly written or the framework is flawed, it will always outperform you manually following along with Hekili; you are in no way going to have better reaction times than a bot.

Currently, are there any undetected unlockers that support vanilla/sod?

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Originally Posted by omnislash11 Currently, are there any undetected unlockers that support vanilla/sod?

At this point, what are we considering undetected? Because mostly everything publicly as of late has had small groups of people banned, this, to me, is detection; however, to others, they perform mental gymnastics around the word detection and what it means to them.

Nothing has had massive banwaves, it's mostly just been small pockets of bans, so just pick your poison to whatever works. At the end of the day, if you're using public stuff, you're likely going to get banned at some point down the line, so go with what is going to have longevity for farming and function to make you the best GP/H or whatever rotations you're looking for.

The only thing I have actually seen last for a very long time is GGL, they've got horseshoes up their buttcracks, because it never gets banned. **knock on wood.

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Originally Posted by tamedbeast At this point, what are we considering undetected? Because mostly everything publicly as of late has had small groups of people banned, this, to me, is detection; however, to others, they perform mental gymnastics around the word detection and what it means to them. Nothing has had massive banwaves, it's mostly just been small pockets of bans, so just pick your poison to whatever works. At the end of the day, if you're using public stuff, you're likely going to get banned at some point down the line, so go with what is going to have longevity for farming and function to make you the best GP/H or whatever rotations you're looking for. The only thing I have actually seen last for a very long time is GGL, they've got horseshoes up their buttcracks, because it never gets banned. **knock on wood.

Well, I started a bot project off NN, wrote some code for a few days, nothing really functional, just repositories for objects and some behavior logic and got banned. A few hours of use at most. That to me sounds like detection.

If I was running a bunch of bots doing shit, then maybe I could attribute it to reports or something but that can't be the case here.

NN is fairly affordable, unlike Daemonic. Tinkr is for mac so that's a no go. Is there anything else? What happened with that hyped Ghost project?

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Originally Posted by omnislash11 Well, I started a bot project off NN, wrote some code for a few days, nothing really functional, just repositories for objects and some behavior logic and got banned. A few hours of use at most. That to me sounds like detection. If I was running a bunch of bots doing shit, then maybe I could attribute it to reports or something but that can't be the case here. NN is fairly affordable, unlike Daemonic. Tinkr is for mac so that's a no go. Is there anything else? What happened with that hyped Ghost project?

Well, from what I understand, Blizzard has started HWID banning people, which is something a little new for them. Previously, they only really banned individuals who were a massive issue, but now it seems they're HWID banning people at random. So, I don't know if anything will really assist you with your bans or what they're related to, but maybe you can go and try some of those Chinese unlockers. As for Ghost, it was detected before it even got released; it's done, I don't expect to see that ever release, and even if it did, I wouldn't expect too much.

Maybe just stick to your own stuff if you have the ability to do so.

Also, I use NNR daily, never had a ban yet, but I also do not use anything related to farm botting or their Nav.

I chatted with Principal yesterday briefly and told him about my situation and according to him it's a HWID ban, which is understandable since I've been botting hard for the past year. I'm getting banned with my own stuff too, even accounts that I've tried to play legit with. Guess I'll have to look for a spoofer solution.

Just to confirm—does this sum things up accurately right now?
Pixel NNR and Rice seem about on par in terms of recent ban activity.
For unlockers, GGLoader looks like the most secure option, while AimSharp offers better performance and rotation logic but with less security?

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Originally Posted by Biggs06 Just to confirm—does this sum things up accurately right now? Pixel NNR and Rice seem about on par in terms of recent ban activity. For unlockers, GGLoader looks like the most secure option, while AimSharp offers better performance and rotation logic but with less security?

No lol, Aimsharp doesn’t even come close to GGL in terms of performance or security.

Also, neither one of them is an unlocker. They're pixel.

Ah cool. Glad they are all pixel. "No lol, Aimsharp doesn’t even come close to GGL in terms of performance or security." I read that about security but from what I saw performance wise many of the main rotation developers left and so the performance side dropped off?

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Originally Posted by Biggs06 Ah cool. Glad they are all pixel. "No lol, Aimsharp doesn’t even come close to GGL in terms of performance or security." I read that about security but from what I saw performance wise many of the main rotation developers left and so the performance side dropped off?

No one has left GGL, and there are more developers now than ever before.

Last season, there were over a dozen combined R1 and Hero players. This season, several of us are ranked top 30 in the world in M+ and PvP.

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Originally Posted by 0x41^4 No one has left GGL, and there are more developers now than ever before. Last season, there were over a dozen combined R1 and Hero players. This season, several of us are ranked top 30 in the world in M+ and PvP.

This is true, GGL has far more active 3rd party devs than ever before. The core dev is also far more active. Looking forward to binding getting completed.

Aimsharp rotations are just okay, they'll get you through Mythic+ for the most part, but I wouldn't call them better than GGL's 3rd party dev rotations.

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Originally Posted by Biggs06 Just to confirm—does this sum things up accurately right now? Pixel NNR and Rice seem about on par in terms of recent ban activity. For unlockers, GGLoader looks like the most secure option, while AimSharp offers better performance and rotation logic but with less security?

Just to clarify.

Rice, GGL, and Aimsharp are pixel bots

NNR is unlocker-based

Unlocker is always going to offer better performance and the ability to have better rotations.

However, GGL has been consistently safe since the time of writing this, and also has rotations that are close to unlocker-like.

How are you feeling about NNR tamed after using it? I went down the koexygen route but lost accounts while they were getting it set up. Is NNR in a more mature state or still a bit riskier than normal while being developed?