Huh, curious. Seems like my post which was trying to warn people about Mobius' "authorized reseller" got deleted :) Sorry for staining your white jacket. Maybe I should have sat down and reposted my original statement that had not been approved by a moderator previously. As I said, it's painfully long and I did not find the time nor the will to do it. Well, here is attempt #2. Sorry it took me so long; I understand that this delay really does not aid my case.
The following is a detailed report based on a negative experience I had on the 25th of November 2022, dealing with MobiusCheats' authorized and 'trusted' reseller. This will be a
looong post. I will attempt to write as concise and as coherently as possible.
TL;DR: My original claim is that their reseller is a fraud. He received a crypto payment from me of roughly $40 USD in exchange for a one month subscription to mobius' cheat. The transaction completed successfully (by now, confirmed almost
150,000 times on the blockchain), however he denied that he received the payment. Consequently, I did not receive a product. He accepts some 60+ payment methods, so you'd assume he's somewhat competent in the field of online payments. It did not seem that way to me, judging from how he communicates in written form. My tinfoil hat assumption is that his 33% fee on top of the product's price isn't enough every now and then, and so when a no name like myself shows up with no referral or vouch he just cashes in the whole pot. Nothing you can do about it anyway except complain.
Introductory preamble: Based on the resources of this very thread I've narrowed down my choice for a Warzone 2 cheat. Phantomoverlay looked very temping as well as professional. Mobius looks quite similar and boasts a suspiciously similar feature set. They even run the same forum software. There is only one difference: the price. That's what drove me to try out Mobius over Phantom; it's slightly cheaper. Check the cheat status, store, price, reviews. Everything looks alright on first glance. Then the problem: The only accepted payment method are credit cards. That's fine. I have one. I'd just prefer something with more security. A reputable middle man for instance. Something like xsolla, sellix, or whatever else might be out there. I've had good experiences with the automated crypto invoices by coinsmart.com for example. I don't feel well entering that sort of information (credit card) into a self-hosted forum text box. Most CCs have no 2fa as far as I'm aware. You've got the details, you're free to shop to your heart's content.
Perhaps my entire debacle could have been prevented if there was some immediate means to quickly reach out to a staff member. I admit it: I was impatient. So, creating a forum thread in the pre-purchase section seemed tedious. What about Telegram or Discord? Well, one of the four major forum categories is
Alternate Payment Methods. The first sentence of the description states:
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We accept credit card on site or crypto if you make a ticket in discord.
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To which I ask: Which Discord? There is no official Discord server. At least not that I could find any on the site. All the top links and contact us links lead to one of two telegram channels. One solely for announcements and one to interact with their FAQ/Support bot. I checked it out. There were other users commenting under the telegram posts asking for help. Seemed like a crappy method of reaching out to me. The only guy I got to skim over was ignored.
Ah, so what if? All the necessary information can be found on the site anyway! Payments should be processed automatically, you get your VIP status, you get your download link and instructions and everything sets itself automatically. We've all been there. I understand there are numerous reasons why you would distance yourself from your userbase and not provide a direct hotline to your moaning customers. We don't have to talk about that. On first glance, it just raises further concern however.
The core problem: Reseller
Okay, so no Discord server to be found. The second phrase of their forum headline is as follows:
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For all other payment methods such as Paypal etc, please reach out to our authorized reseller.
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Cool, sounds good. I've been through a couple of resellers in the past, without problem to this date. Until now. I've got some crypto stashed away, so that would be my preferred method of payment. I do have a PayPal as well, however the anonymity of crypto seemed more preferable.
This is the URL that forwards you to their "authorized reseller" of trust.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
Wow, this guy offers
how many payment methods?! Some
67 if you count every crypto coin separately. This guy must be a pro! There's no way anything could go wrong at this point.
At the bottom of his page he links several social handles on which you can contact him. I found Discord to be the most immediate and comfortable way of contact. If I was able to catch him online, I could be done within a couple of minutes and own my product as advertised.
Discord handles are a unique combination of nickname + a unique number identifier. If he says he's
Mar1k#1993, then there is no room for anyone to impersonate him. I copy-pasted the nickname straight from the website to make sure there was no room for error. All too often we've seen impersonators and scammers with similar handles trying to pull off shady schemes. I'm going over this just so you can tick this off the list of potential excuses.
Making contact
I will summarize the conversation for the sake of this thread, as well as provide screenshots from the entirety of the private conversation on Discord. I captured the screencaps with ShareX as JPEG with a mild compression of 10%. I will upload the whole bulk of it to an imgur album with some comments (both for ease of access as well as longevity). Note: my Discord theme looks off because I am using a custom theme. I am perfectly aware that Discord logs can be doctored by editing the underlying source because the whole thing is essentially just a web browser running a dynamic web page. I did not do any of these. Again, I am stating this ahead of time to counter any possible refutation. If you do believe that I have edited anything, then feel free to provide counter-proof.
Full logs: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
- I send a friend invite and a test message to see if I can message him without friend list (it failed, he does not allow messages from non-friends, hence the red font color)
- He asks me what I want and I reply with Mobius Warzone 2.0 30D, plus preferred payment method
- ETH is supposedly no problem, he sends me a wallet address and the amount (a hefty 33% fee, as the desired amount is $40 USD - versus the shop price of $30.00 USD)
- I have some regrets at this point and wonder if it wasn't smarter to change to PO since I end up paying more here. But again, I've been through resellers before and some additional fees are part of the game. Although usually Crypto receives a mild discount, not cranked up fees on top. Driven by impatience, I figured this deal would be done within the next two minutes and I'd be owner of a new product. Fuck it.
- I confirm that I had sent it on my end and that I was awaiting his confirmation.
- Over 7 minutes later "didn't get yet"
- Oh for fuck's sake. How could this be? I've made many similar transactions and ETH is nowadays confirmed within a couple of seconds. So what could be wrong?
- I check my e-mails to access the coinbase transaction history
- They state the transaction is not only complete but also confirmed on the blockchain
- You simply cannot refute this. This is the main advantage of crypto. It's 1s and 0s. And it can be seen and verified by anyone.
- I open the etherscan.io link and try to make sense of it (I do not claim to be a crypto expert). Green checkmarks, dozens of block confirmations. In my book, that means that everything is alright and should have gone through.
- I give him the benefit of the doubt and I wonder if the mistake lies with my or my exchange, coinbase. Why does the value say its $0? What is this contract, what does "Coinbase 10" mean in brackets? I CTRL-F his wallet address and sure enough it's listed there as one of the contract recipients but I at this point I have no clue what it means. The amount sure checks out. Exactly 0.03361994 Ether, plus or minus a few cents due to volatility. At the time of me sending the currency it was more than $40 USD AND I covered $1.50 in transaction fees.
- I send him the following two images to ensure him that they money should be there, just check your wallet, what can be so hard?!
- What's even better. Why don't you check yourselves directly? [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] - his wallet address is: 0x122e3636ad1727DF1eF69AB26956964268Dd5b43
- How does he talk his way out of this one?!
- He sends me the etherscan.io link to his wallet: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
- He insists that if there is no new transaction at the top (most recent transaction 4 days old as of writing this), then it must mean that he did not receive any money and that I did something wrong.
- Again, not every experienced with crypto, I believe that he might be right so I keep refreshing etherscan, look up his wallet, my wallet, trying to make sense of this coinbase transaction.
- I spend some of my time researching this garbage and what I find out amounts to roughly this:
- Coinbase bundles multiple (small) transactions within special contracts to save gas fees. I'm not sure what privilege they get but they kind of been a big player in the space, so it makes sense to me. Then I ask myself: how the fuck is it then not showing up in the transaction list?
- Well, it's completely normal, all you have to do it go check the "Internal Txns" tab on etherscan.io. It lists transactions which are part of a larger contract. [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]
- 70 minutes had passed by this point!
- I send him what I found out, I send him the link, I tell him where to look, I ensure him, for the second time that he has with no doubt received the funds.
- Here's a metaphor. We stand outside, I grab him by the hand and I point towards the sky. I say, "Look up! The sky is blue, is it not?". To which he insist, "No, it is clearly red".
- Before that I ask what kind of wallet he had and if he could not simply check it, check his transaction history, instead of relying on etherscan.
- "i don't need check anything", "let me know when u fixed it", "or send with btc / LTC"
- Oh, that's funny. After you've ripped me off you invite me to send you even more money?
- The rest of the conversation is useless garbage; I invite you to read it from the screencaps however.
- He sends a screenshot of my etherscan link, the one coinbase provided of the contract, and he added a red arrow pointing to the $0.00 USD value of the contract. Yeah, I admit I have no clue what that means. Maybe that the contract itself has no value? You are the supposed payment expert, I expect you to deal with this regularly, I expect you to explain it to me instead of insinuating that I am now somehow a scammer. Instead, you put me in a position where I have to clean my name and go out to research this crap that anyone dealing with crypto probably knows. And are we just going to ignore that the transactions listed above [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]?
Those familiar with Crypto will probably roll their eyes in boredom, however to me as well as others, this might be new. This scamming scheme implies that there is something wrong with
you and that you are too dumb to send a transaction. With no knowledge and no other way to verify, you might fall for his shit and believe it.
Again, I urge you to take a look at the logs on Imgur. Tell me that - from my point of view and with the certainty that the money was sent - he is not pulling some questionable mental gymnastics to make it seem as if I was at fault? And then you can simply check the etherscan.io link provided in the list earlier. It's there. Black on white. His wallet received Ether with a value of $40 USD that day. Period.
"my exchanger use i think binance", oh, so you're providing reselling services and you're not even the person in charge of the crypto wallet(s)!?
YOU THINK your ominous "exchanger" (whatever that means) uses Binance? Oh, so that means you can't even check it yourself? How convenient!
I don't know. Tell me I'm crazy. What is one to make of this situation? I sent money in hopes of receiving a good in exchange. Isn't it problematic when their person of trust gatekeeps potential customers? My only hope is that there is at least one person with enough patience to read through this mess and come to the same conclusion.
What I've learned by reading along in this thread is that there is a high probability that the people in charge at mobiuscheats are indeed cool people, capable, highly-skilled programmers who provide a solid product. I wish we could have met under different circumstances. You must believe me how deeply I regret this.
Maybe, by some Christmas miracle, the lost money can be located eventually :rolleyes: Wouldn't that be nice?
SC detected? It shows "Online" on their status page. I haven't used them for a while, and from my experience with their cheats, they're pretty honest when it comes with detections for their cheats.