[UNOFFICIAL] List Of Legit and Scam Providers List

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Originally Posted by lort1234 *NBT launched about a year ago. *"Was" on tier 4 (Tier for new products) for 3 weeks, before being moved to any other tier. But yeah Mirage is definitely a trusted provider product after being rebranded and "resold" by Cyrex/F.

still no proof of it being rebranded and resold. Just claims.
we can make claims all day long claiming "this product is just rebrand bro!!!" but without solid evidence, words are just words. Backup your claims.

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen still no proof of it being rebranded and resold. Just claims. we can make claims all day long claiming "this product is just rebrand bro!!!" but without solid evidence, words are just words. Backup your claims.

Well the funny thing is... I don't have to.

Got an issue, contact the moderators, then we can take it that way.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Well the funny thing is... I don't have to. Got an issue, contact the moderators, then we can take it that way.

Yep, bullshitting wont make your claims any truer. You know it, I know it.

Anyone reading this:
This person makes claims without any proper evidence and going ooga booga

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Originally Posted by theminkman detected currently I mean I wouldn't personally add a cheat to a trusted list so quickly either, Mirage is brand new in the scene and was never seen publicly before. But this list is so twisted anyways so I have no clue what the point is anymore It went from advertising good quality products to list your friends at the top :handsdown:

funny thing is, he makes claims without evidence backing it up thinking we are all some low iq retards that will fall for his tactics.

his sources? "trust me bro!!!"

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen Yep, bullshitting wont make your claims any truer. You know it, I know it. Anyone reading this: This person makes claims without any proper evidence and going ooga booga funny thing is, he makes claims without evidence backing it up thinking we are all some low iq retards that will fall for his tactics. his sources? "trust me bro!!!"

Im not making claims, im telling you what i think.

I find it kinda funny how you are so hurt about a provider not being added on the list, it's almost like it's your product hmm..

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Im not making claims, im telling you what i think. I find it kinda funny how you are so hurt about a provider not being added on the list, it's almost like it's your product hmm..

what you "think". so basically your admitting that THATS what YOU think and not an actual fact?

my product? I do not even know how to fire up python or c++ my g. I just get mad when people "trust me bro" their way out of providing evidence.

I am their customer and this is really dishonest of you to base your threads based on WHAT you think is good instead of getting opinions from others.

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen what you "think". so basically your admitting that THATS what YOU think and not an actual fact? my product? I do not even know how to fire up python or c++ my g. I just get mad when people "trust me bro" their way out of providing evidence. I am their customer and this is really dishonest of you to base your threads based on WHAT you think is good instead of getting opinions from others.

Suuuure, that's why you know that's it's his product and you have seen him code, because you have 0 knowledge about coding, but you have seen him code and verify that's it's his product... Make sense.

Well i am the one maintaining the list, so i decide what providers get on the list, if you "feel" like it's an issue that "your" provider isn't on the list, don't use the list.

I find it kinda funny that you are so hurt as a "customer", that you would spend your time arguing on a forum you have never been a part of, you don't even have any relations or posts on, it kinda make it seems like it's almost your own product hmm..

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Suuuure, that's why you know that's it's his product and you have seen him code, because you have 0 knowledge about coding, but you have seen him code and verify that's it's his product... Make sense. Well i am the one maintaining the list, so i decide what providers get on the list, if you "feel" like it's an issue that "your" provider isn't on the list, don't use the list. I find it kinda funny that you are so hurt as a "customer", that you would spend your time arguing on a forum you have never been a part of, you don't even have any relations or posts on, it kinda make it seems like it's almost your own product hmm..

Let me address your concerns 1 by 1.

1) I am an average joe. The ESP was bugging on my pc as in it wasn't detecting animals. They told me to hop on screenshare. I did. Within 10 mins, it was fixed. They fixed some offsets due to new update messing with offsets. That is one reason I knew these are ACTUAL devs and not retards reselling someone's products.

2) List is based on reviews of others, not YOURS. Change the title to "MY list of legit and scam rust providors" instead of writing title in such a way that it includes the opinions of every person. Do not play semantics with me :) I have majored in English lmao.

3) Ofcourse I would spend time arguing with a guy that is pushing baseless claims and defaming a product for no reason. Its my moral obligation as a customer because these guys have been nothing but good to me. Always fixing the slightest bugs I find in matter of minutes. I have used WRC, chud etc but these are the first devs I have seen in a long time that ACTUALLY listen to customers instead of ego tripping.

Again, do not play semantics with me bro. I can do this all day long:)

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen Let me address your concerns 1 by 1. 1) I am an average joe. The ESP was bugging on my pc as in it wasn't detecting animals. They told me to hop on screenshare. I did. Within 10 mins, it was fixed. They fixed some offsets due to new update messing with offsets. That is one reason I knew these are ACTUAL devs and not retards reselling someone's products. 2) List is based on reviews of others, not YOURS. Change the title to "MY list of legit and scam rust providors" instead of writing title in such a way that it includes the opinions of every person. Do not play semantics with me :) I have majored in English lmao. 3) Ofcourse I would spend time arguing with a guy that is pushing baseless claims and defaming a product for no reason. Its my moral obligation as a customer because these guys have been nothing but good to me. Always fixing the slightest bugs I find in matter of minutes. I have used WRC, chud etc but these are the first devs I have seen in a long time that ACTUALLY listen to customers instead of ego tripping. Again, do not play semantics with me bro. I can do this all day long:)

Ofc it's your "moral" obligation to "defend" a provider you like, it's almost like it's your own product lmao.

Well as i told you, if you got any issues contact the moderators and we can take it from there, i base my "opinion" on the information i get, that opinion decides what provider get on the list and doesn't get on the list, if you think it's wrong you are more than welcome to have that opinion, but i have no obligation to show you have "proof" or information i have. I have played those games for no gains for a very long time now, and i won't be doing that anymore.

So contact the moderators if you "feel" like there is an issues that should be resolved with their help, i simply just wanted to state the factual timeline of NBT in relation to this list, as you clearly wasn't able to even though it's public information on this list.

Btw i couldn't care less about your majors... Weird flex.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Ofc it's your "moral" obligation to "defend" a provider you like, it's almost like it's your own product lmao. Well as i told you, if you got any issues contact the moderators and we can take it from there, i base my "opinion" on the information i get, that opinion decides what provider get on the list and doesn't get on the list, if you think it's wrong you are more than welcome to have that opinion, but i have no obligation to show you have "proof" or information i have. I have played those games for no gains for a very long time now, and i won't be doing that anymore. So contact the moderators if you "feel" like there is an issues that should be resolved with their help, i simply just wanted to state the factual timeline of NBT in relation to this list, as you clearly wasn't able to even though it's public information on this list. Btw i couldn't care less about your majors... Weird flex.

1. This retard will keep thinking I am the dev of this product, holy low iq. Customers defending a product is not allowed anymore ig

2.You base your opinion from information you believe and there is some sort of confirmation bias to your beliefs. You have to base your opinions on what actual customers say for a fair list. Low iq much?

3. You can clearly see i am an average joe because I didn't even know NBT was in scene for 1 year already. I just parroted what someone else said in this thread. fair enough, i was wrong on that one.

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen 1. This retard will keep thinking I am the dev of this product, holy low iq. Customers defending a product is not allowed anymore ig 2.You base your opinion from information you believe and there is some sort of confirmation bias to your beliefs. You have to base your opinions on what actual customers say for a fair list. Low iq much? 3. You can clearly see i am an average joe because I didn't even know NBT was in scene for 1 year already. I just parroted what someone else said in this thread. fair enough, i was wrong on that one.

Talking about my IQ is very mature lmao, and indeed does make you seem like a mature and trustworthy person lmao.

You can defend a product all you want, but clearly there is something fishy about the way you are doing it.

Who says i have to base my opinion about what actual customers says? If i have information regarding a provider, i can choose to weight each information in my own way, you haven't even proven you are a actual customer of Mirage, why should i weight your "information" higher than the one i have gotten elsewhere?

Average "Joes" doesn't spend time on arguing with someone on a random forum they aren't even a part of or have ever been, your only posts on this forum is on this thread, and 95% of it is about Mirage.. Fishy very much lmao.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Talking about my IQ is very mature lmao, and indeed does make you seem like a mature and trustworthy person lmao. You can defend a product all you want, but clearly there is something fishy about the way you are doing it. Who says i have to base my opinion about what actual customers says? If i have information regarding a provider, i can choose to weight each information in my own way, you haven't even proven you are a actual customer of Mirage, why should i weight your "information" higher than the one i have gotten elsewhere? Average "Joes" doesn't spend time on arguing with someone on a random forum they aren't even a part of or have ever been, your only posts on this forum is on this thread, and 95% of it is about Mirage.. Fishy very much lmao.

"You can defend a product all you want, but clearly there is something fishy about the way you are doing it."
Whats fishy about it? the fact I am trying to prove you wrong?

Yeah these are my only posts because i barely come to this shithole of a forum that has a UI not changed since the 90s. It hurts to look at.

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen "You can defend a product all you want, but clearly there is something fishy about the way you are doing it." Whats fishy about it? the fact I am trying to prove you wrong? Yeah these are my only posts because i barely come to this shithole of a forum that has a UI not changed since the 90s. It hurts to look at.

If you haven't picked up on what i think is fishy about it, you probably shouldn't talk down on my IQ. :kekw:

But your account is 4 years old though, and you have been in major private cheats in the past right? :D

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Originally Posted by lort1234 If you haven't picked up on what i think is fishy about it, you probably shouldn't talk down on my IQ. :kekw: But your account is 4 years old though, and you have been in major private cheats in the past right? :D

Your definition of fishy would be completely different to mine considering how low iq your takes are.

Yes.

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Originally Posted by KuroTheKen Your definition of fishy would be completely different to mine considering how low iq your takes are. Yes.

Well lets leave it at that then, clearly we aren't seeing the same things for what they are. :kekw:

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Talking about my IQ is very mature lmao, and indeed does make you seem like a mature and trustworthy person lmao. You can defend a product all you want, but clearly there is something fishy about the way you are doing it. Who says i have to base my opinion about what actual customers says? If i have information regarding a provider, i can choose to weight each information in my own way, you haven't even proven you are a actual customer of Mirage, why should i weight your "information" higher than the one i have gotten elsewhere? Average "Joes" doesn't spend time on arguing with someone on a random forum they aren't even a part of or have ever been, your only posts on this forum is on this thread, and 95% of it is about Mirage.. Fishy very much lmao.

Hello sir, thank you for sharing your concerns. I’m not here to create issues or start drama — any mistake or problem can always be resolved.

To clarify a few points:

The MIRAGE developer team consists of two people. It’s not a Cyrex rebrand; only one of our developers previously worked there and there is no cyrex anymore none of cyrex products resold here. We are not resellers. Our threads clearly show that we develop and provide our own solutions, including a 1-PC FaceIT product — something you won’t see resellers offering.

Regarding Kurokenn: he is indeed my customer. We had a few system-side issues and we are actively helping him fix them.
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I’m a calm person, and I genuinely enjoy coding and helping people. I talk with customers daily and spend most of my time working with them. We have been working as developers under big names for seven years, so we know how to handle things professionally.

In the end, it’s your choice whether you want to add us to any list. We can’t and won’t force anything, and there’s no need for moderation involvement this problem can be fixed between us I believe we both are grown people no need for someone else to fix/correct us.

I wish you a great day — take care.