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Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load
So proof now means "look at my thread, there are so many complaints" huh? No examples, no context, just random noise and a few DMs. What if I told my users to message you saying Matrix, Chudvision, or NBT were all detected or broken? Would that make it fact too?
The list itself has fundamental flaws, and you as the person maintaining it arent exactly helping its credibility.
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Never thought I'd say this, but as a matter of fact I agree.
The problem with this thread is that it relies on 2 main things for information.
1. Self reported status by provider, which in 90% of cases is a lie or half truth. (We'll get to that)
2. The experience in status from the perspective of an average user.
First of all, the list is very black or white. Detected or undetected. However, with Rust and EAC it is never that simple. There is in fact 4 if not more states; detected, whitelisted, flagged or undetected.
The average user will assume because they afk'd and played "super legit" on a modded 10x server for 40 hours that the cheat is undetected. It doesn't necessarily mean that the product is undetected. It just means that there was nobody on that server who can take a look at your data using the EAC panel, and your software was "undetected" enough to not trigger any automated ban. Providers know this, experienced users know this. You know this yourself Acus.
This information barrier is exploited by the majority of the scene to push flagged pastes onto the market as being undetected. I mean why wouldn't they if the average user doesn't know how to discern the difference? It's just more revenue.
I can guarantee that nearly all of the products marked as "undetected" on the list would not pass the true undetected test. I'll say this once for the average users, because I am so tired of people selling stuff as undetected when it clearly is flagged or otherwise but works on modded for 100 hours so fuck it let's sell it as "ud".
Stop falling for this deceptive marketing so the scene can go back to producing real quality products.
The true undetected test is as follows
1. Spawn on a fresh account on a fresh install from USB to a Facepunch server.
2. Kill a few players using minimal features, preferably your own friends who will report you.
3. Report yourself in the Rust Discord via the ticket system.
If you get any punishment for doing so, you are not undetected and it is that simple. If it was a temp ban there was little but enough evidence of cheating in the EAC panel, if it was a perm ban there was significant evidence that you were cheating in the EAC panel and the cheat is detected pending a banwave when EAC feels they have enough people caught in the list, it's just not being automated as of yet to obscure the products status. If nothing happens then you are actually using undetected.
As for EvilCheats being marked as untrusted, I'm not necessarily in agreement. The allegations being made are interesting, but even if true, they are nothing the rest of the providers in the scene aren't doing anyway.
Acus and EvilCheats are from my knowledge extraordinarily transparent about the status of the products, and have been the majority of the time.