[UNOFFICIAL] List Of Legit and Scam Providers List

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Originally Posted by astroware - acuses way of "fixing" the situation by going to vienna to take a break or barcelona etc, its simply not even close when compared to chudvision.

I was in Barcelona when the first encryption update happened, with a macbook, it was impossible to fix anything.. In Vienna I went from the rooftop where I celebrated with family downstairs to update the cheat in my hotel room..

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Originally Posted by astroware How long did it take chud to update for encryption update, compared to ec (when no auto-updating tool was in place?) I know it took Chud less than EC because I had to use Chudvision, while inside of Evilcheats discord, vcing with acus and other people and screensharing. How did EC handle the whole thing? How did Chud handle the whole thing? Look, I understand you and SNN and Developer of chud have some history, which I wont get into at all, none of my business - at least be fair when u're trying to shit onto somebody. I'd like to also refer to earlier posts/threads of mine in regards to EC, I was the first one to come on this very forums and complain about - updatetime - feature-set - acuses personality, aka going to rides with rental cars when he knew force wipe was going to hit, and knowing he wouldn't update - he did not even try to act as if he gave a fuck.... - acuses way of "fixing" the situation by going to vienna to take a break or barcelona etc, its simply not even close when compared to chudvision.

You are acting like I am only criticizing Chud because SNN banned me, which is not the case.

I am not defending Acus either, I personally do not like him but that does not mean he deserves to be on an Untrusted list. Yes, EvilCheat took a long time to update, and Acus(s) temporary workaround was having users play with outdated Rust clients while spoofing the version reported to the server. That is not ideal user experience, but I do not hate anyone for having downtime after a major encryption change.

The difference is that I actually build my own dumpers for Rust, so I understand the technical side and what devs have to deal with during big updates.

My perspective is not based on bias, it is based on experience.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Well if you haven't noticed the list have changed, the way i maintain it have changed. I won't be communicating with any provider outside of this, in relation to any information/changed being done on the list. I will use my discord for personal use now. This is the doing of people not appreciating the hours of work i have put into this list and always doubting me and my credibility, even though there haven't been a single concrete proof of any wrong doing from my side.

So proof now means "look at my thread, there are so many complaints" huh? No examples, no context, just random noise and a few DMs. What if I told my users to message you saying Matrix, Chudvision, or NBT were all detected or broken? Would that make it fact too?

The list itself has fundamental flaws, and you as the person maintaining it arent exactly helping its credibility.

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Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load What if I told my users to message you saying Matrix, Chudvision, or NBT were all detected or broken? Would that make it fact too?

They are already all detected so that is just a fact

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Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load So proof now means "look at my thread, there are so many complaints" huh? No examples, no context, just random noise and a few DMs. What if I told my users to message you saying Matrix, Chudvision, or NBT were all detected or broken? Would that make it fact too? The list itself has fundamental flaws, and you as the person maintaining it arent exactly helping its credibility.

Complain to the people complaining then, if people cannot appreciate the hours of work i do in the background and only attack my credibility, i won't be doing that work anymore since it's not appreciated.

Ofc the list have fundamental flaws, it won't be possible to not have flaws in one way or another, but i don't wanna spend hours doing what i have been doing so far for people that don't appreciate it and only attack me without any concrete proof.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Complain to the people complaining then, if people cannot appreciate the hours of work i do in the background and only attack my credibility, i won't be doing that work anymore since it's not appreciated. Ofc the list have fundamental flaws, it won't be possible to not have flaws in one way or another, but i don't wanna spend hours doing what i have been doing so far for people that don't appreciate it and only attack me without any concrete proof.

You are literally just updating a list with a few providers on a website that you dont even own.. I'm not sure what kind of "maintaining" that really is.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Complain to the people complaining then, if people cannot appreciate the hours of work i do in the background and only attack my credibility, i won't be doing that work anymore since it's not appreciated. Ofc the list have fundamental flaws, it won't be possible to not have flaws in one way or another, but i don't wanna spend hours doing what i have been doing so far for people that don't appreciate it and only attack me without any concrete proof.

So what was your reasoning behind making NBT a Tier 1 provider? It's the same 3-4 people that is all around ChudVision, personal friends of SNN, Daum or simply Reselling Chud products that is all cheering for it.

There is no Elitepvpers thread about the cheat itself to my knowledge, no discord server, barely any public information about it and new to the public scene.

Of course people are gonna question how unknown providers instantly get slapped with a golden star out of no-where?

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Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load You are literally just updating a list with a few providers on a website that you dont even own.. I'm not sure what kind of "maintaining" that really is.

The kind that spend hours going though your discord, testing your cheat, listening to your explanation when if was once "attacked" by people complaining and making accusations.

The kind that spend hours communicating with developers and providers to have the list updated with up to date information.

The kind that spend MANY hours testing and reviewing all of the providers requesting being added.

The kind that spend hours answering peoples questions and giving suggesting and helping the community.

When it isn't appreciated and im always attacked, i don't feel like spending all of these hours doing this.

Instead i will do what all the other list "maintainers" do and just add information i get from people on this thread and update the list with the most basic information.

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Originally Posted by theminkman So what was your reasoning behind making NBT a Tier 1 provider? It's the same 3-4 people that is all around ChudVision, personal friends of SNN, Daum or simply Reselling Chud products that is all cheering for it. There is no Elitepvpers thread about the cheat itself to my knowledge, no discord server, barely any public information about it and new to the public scene. Of course people are gonna question how unknown providers instantly get slapped with a golden star out of no-where?

All of my connections in the rust scene that is well known only talked good about NBT, the discord they have showed proof of them being there with a UD product for over 9 months and i tested the product and my opinion about it, was that is was a really well made product that checked all of the major boxes and almost didn't have the flaws, no major ones at least.

That is the reasoning i added it to the list and waited 2 weeks and then added it to tier1, i had to make sure i wasn't getting bamboozled and i wasn't.

Again i changed the list because some people don't believe my credibility and because some people don't appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 All of my connections in the rust scene that is well known only talked good about NBT, the discord they have showed proof of them being there with a UD product for over 9 months and i tested the product and my opinion about it, was that is was a really well made product that checked all of the major boxes and almost didn't have the flaws, no major ones at least. That is the reasoning i added it to the list and waited 2 weeks and then added it to tier1, i had to make sure i wasn't getting bamboozled and i wasn't. Again i changed the list because some people don't believe my credibility and because some people don't appreciate it.

the old list was way better then what you currently have, but maybe instead of moving providers up and down urself you should do polls about their tier instead.

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Originally Posted by theminkman So what was your reasoning behind making NBT a Tier 1 provider? It's the same 3-4 people that is all around ChudVision, personal friends of SNN, Daum or simply Reselling Chud products that is all cheering for it. There is no Elitepvpers thread about the cheat itself to my knowledge, no discord server, barely any public information about it and new to the public scene. Of course people are gonna question how unknown providers instantly get slapped with a golden star out of no-where?

Hey I don't mean to be a dick towards you but wasn't this already explained to you by few other people the other, with nbt having history, happy customers etc.? And the bribery thing i wanna get out of the way really fast, people who have been active readers of this forum, will know that me and lort have never been on good terms, due to my past posts/comments about his thread and evilcheats, we disagreed on everything pretty much. I am the guy who invited him to nbt, don't you think he would have tried to stick it to me if it was bad - or at the very least don't you think anybody would have gone rogue of the users, complaining like we've seen on this thread regarding evilcheats many times?


Your nbt access key was given to you by snn, from his account, now since you and him have some kind of beef going on why r u crashing out at another product that has 0% business w snn and or daum



Guys its not 2014 anymore where acus is on the tip-top, this may have been the case long time ago, but evidently casino has taken over priorities and driving rental cars

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Originally Posted by lort1234 The kind that spend hours going though your discord, testing your cheat, listening to your explanation when if was once "attacked" by people complaining and making accusations. The kind that spend hours communicating with developers and providers to have the list updated with up to date information. The kind that spend MANY hours testing and reviewing all of the providers requesting being added. The kind that spend hours answering peoples questions and giving suggesting and helping the community. When it isn't appreciated and im always attacked, i don't feel like spending all of these hours doing this. Instead i will do what all the other list "maintainers" do and just add information i get from people on this thread and update the list with the most basic information.

You aint running the NSA. At the end of the day, you are still just maintaining a public list on a forum. Testing cheats, reading Discords, or listening to explanations does not suddenly make the list objective or accurate. ESPECIALLY because you pick and choose what to believe.

You have turned what should be neutral information into a biased scoreboard.

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Originally Posted by theminkman the old list was way better then what you currently have, but maybe instead of moving providers up and down urself you should do polls about their tier instead.

That is actually a good idea and could have been a possibility, but again no one suggest anything nice like you just did.

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Originally Posted by astroware Hey I don't mean to be a dick towards you but wasn't this already explained to you by few other people the other, with nbt having history, happy customers etc.? And the bribery thing i wanna get out of the way really fast, people who have been active readers of this forum, will know that me and lort have never been on good terms, due to my past posts/comments about his thread and evilcheats, we disagreed on everything pretty much. I am the guy who invited him to nbt, don't you think he would have tried to stick it to me if it was bad - or at the very least don't you think anybody would have gone rogue of the users, complaining like we've seen on this thread regarding evilcheats many times? Your nbt access key was given to you by snn, from his account, now since you and him have some kind of beef going on why r u crashing out at another product that has 0% business w snn and or daum Guys its not 2014 anymore where acus is on the tip-top, this may have been the case long time ago, but evidently casino has taken over priorities and driving rental cars

You cannot say it has no connections to SNN or daum when the visuals is 1:1 clone from Chud, it's literally chud external esp slapped on a internal.

Same font and everything, also when I used it I had nothing but gamebans on every single server but I guess thats just my PC having cancer (even tho emulator)

Even their loader is a clone of Chud/QC

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Originally Posted by theminkman Even their loader is a clone of Chud/QC

daum x chasenelson we will be there

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Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load You aint running the NSA. At the end of the day, you are still just maintaining a public list on a forum. Testing cheats, reading Discords, or listening to explanations does not suddenly make the list objective or accurate. ESPECIALLY because you pick and choose what to believe. You have turned what should be neutral information into a biased scoreboard.

I have spend more hours than you would believe i have, but no i don't run NSA.

You can never be objective when you have a list with tiers, there will always be things that gotta be subjective and things that gotta be objective.

I when i took over the list made a poll asking if people would rather have a tier based system, and i think it was over 80% yes or so to that poll so i made that.

Neutral information can only be one part of what makes a cheat a cheat, a provider a provider, there is also the non objective things like how is the support? How is the community? How is the support/staff dealing with users/customers, how is the perception of a provider in the public.