Nuker Force.

Bicheon has debuffs.

No matter what your build it will only be unique and special in your own mind. Its all been done before.

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Originally Posted by dvsstinger Bicheon has debuffs. No matter what your build it will only be unique and special in your own mind. Its all been done before.

THats TRUE, :D some guys go for wizz, rouge, k thx.

if you wanna go full nuke i would recommend u fire/light/cold although this is just for leveling and maybe wars and stuff, forget about pvp :/

I dont think that nukers Force Are Bad. I will make it one. all builds are strong need to learn how to use it thats all.

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Originally Posted by N00bcake you would get a) knocked back b) knocked down or c) stunned by a Warrior before you could go for your nuke p.s.: i wanted to mention also HolySpell and Pills which would make your debuffs useless .. :)

Sorry to dissapoint you....but I don't think so..... If he has Fire.... He has Fire Wall so none of the A, B and C will happen (It might be very rare mostly in case he forgets to get that wall on.)

With HolySpell he will have to just keep trying as for sure some of the debufs will go through (Rare but yes it happens), Mostly he will have to rely on Big Fire nukes....

Can't say that this will be an awesome build, but will not be an epic fail for sure...

I think full int should be the way to go and yes Fire Cold and Force... I had tried this build, had to quit at 67 as started my new char on Petra (Main Char).... will continue that build again once this reaches 110.

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Originally Posted by jaydeep.sathe Sorry to dissapoint you....but I don't think so..... If he has Fire.... He has Fire Wall so none of the A, B and C will happen (It might be very rare mostly in case he forgets to get that wall on.) With HolySpell he will have to just keep trying as for sure some of the debufs will go through (Rare but yes it happens), Mostly he will have to rely on Big Fire nukes.... Can't say that this will be an awesome build, but will not be an epic fail for sure... I think full int should be the way to go and yes Fire Cold and Force... I had tried this build, had to quit at 67 as started my new char on Petra (Main Char).... will continue that build again once this reaches 110.

well sure he will have firewall but it isnt invincible lol , any cleric can buff himself soul deity and take it down with the rod ( and we all know u cant kill any euro in cleric mode) so its just a waste of time , not to mention if the pvp goes on like this then u will lose your snow shield and get owned 1 hit.

bottom line is , force nukers fail vs euro clerics / has a chance against chinese tho not a every big one since it lakes the kb/kd/stun u get from bicheon/heuskal

as for bicheon/force/cold builds well yeah this build can have a good chance against chinese chars but again holyspell + no damage increase by having fire/light gives it 0 chance vs euro clerics

As for the A, B and C that I was refering to were warrior skills.... I havent seen a cleric KD and KD someone.

If you are talking about a Warrior with a cleric sub destroying a final level Fire wall... All the Best and ya.... it can be casted again unless you are comfortable with being str and playing cleric. If that is the case would have to worry about you much would I?

Lets be logical about the build.... It does make sense with the heals from Force.... I think it should be able to survive without a snowshield.

And as is no build is perfect and ultimate... so wouldn't have to worry much.... Its about how you play it....

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Originally Posted by jaydeep.sathe As for the A, B and C that I was refering to were warrior skills.... I havent seen a cleric KD and KD someone. If you are talking about a Warrior with a cleric sub destroying a final level Fire wall... All the Best and ya.... it can be casted again unless you are comfortable with being str and playing cleric. If that is the case would have to worry about you much would I? Lets be logical about the build.... It does make sense with the heals from Force.... I think it should be able to survive without a snowshield. And as is no build is perfect and ultimate... so wouldn't have to worry much.... Its about how you play it....

yeah im talking about euro str with sub cleric ( obviously ) , to take down the final firewall with a cleric rod u need like 6-7 hits , and what if u cast it again? then well the euro can stay in cleric mode and take it down again no problem , so if the pvp goes on like this then snow shield will be over and believe me ints with no snow shield are 1 hit for str euros ( unless they block or sth )

anyways like u said its a matter of skills and knowing how to play , but in my explanation i was assuming both players know how to play.

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Originally Posted by Pr0Styla yeah im talking about euro str with sub cleric ( obviously ) , to take down the final firewall with a cleric rod u need like 6-7 hits , and what if u cast it again? then well the euro can stay in cleric mode and take it down again no problem , so if the pvp goes on like this then snow shield will be over and believe me ints with no snow shield are 1 hit for str euros ( unless they block or sth ) anyways like u said its a matter of skills and knowing how to play , but in my explanation i was assuming both players know how to play.

LOL me again Here long TIME AGO:::::: , my answer of this, and tested, Fire, Cold, Force can be a great build amazing, cuz simple of this first wath can Do VS EUROPEANS STRs, simple can cast ICE Wall and hit whit the nuk, 3 hits -2 can kill a Euro Str char and Str char have to heal, then Fire wall for no KB or KD he need to do 6-7 hits u use 2 nuks + lion shoks fast, same other time cast fire wall. and u can kill an euro character i dont think there are a bad build all builds are amazing strong,


2.- this build ICE/Bicheon/Force Bad Build imposible, cuz nukers for be full ints hits alot hits, adding + force debufs + knock downs + combos whit debufss this kind of nuker dont use ICe nuks only pure bicheon+ ICE have good DEF + using prot, VS chineses can be fucking strong cuz force debufs + full int hits alot and vs europeans need all time to knock down and combo all time..., for me there no bad build just need to learn how and wath to use all the time.

I am not really sure about Bich-Ice-Force as i havent tired it... but Fire-Cold-Force certainly is not a fail.. As I have posted it earlier... I have tried it; not to the cap but enough to know.

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Originally Posted by zitodef LOL me again Here long TIME AGO:::::: , my answer of this, and tested, Fire, Cold, Force can be a great build amazing, cuz simple of this first wath can Do VS EUROPEANS STRs, simple can cast ICE Wall and hit whit the nuk, 3 hits -2 can kill a Euro Str char and Str char have to heal, then Fire wall for no KB or KD he need to do 6-7 hits u use 2 nuks + lion shoks fast, same other time cast fire wall. and u can kill an euro character i dont think there are a bad build all builds are amazing strong, 2.- this build ICE/Bicheon/Force Bad Build imposible, cuz nukers for be full ints hits alot hits, adding + force debufs + knock downs + combos whit debufss this kind of nuker dont use ICe nuks only pure bicheon+ ICE have good DEF + using prot, VS chineses can be fucking strong cuz force debufs + full int hits alot and vs europeans need all time to knock down and combo all time..., for me there no bad build just need to learn how and wath to use all the time.

so you're saying u can kill an euro str with cleric rod + shield and cleric buffs? u obviously have never met a good euro char before =P

im not talking about the random noobs u find at pvp zone , im talking about average players( wont talk about pros cause u got 0 chance against those with this build trust me )

the only thing that keeps a char alive is the interrupts it has , and since your build has 0 then believe me u dont stand a chance

ill say it again , u say u will use firewall so u can nuke as much as u like and the other player cant do anything? wrong since he can use cleric + shield and buffs then take down the wall with the rod ( again u cant kill an euro str in that mode , only noobs would die that way ) , and then u will recast firewall and do it all over again? well the cleric can do the same shit again and keep this up till your snow is over then again you're 1 hit

i cant explain it any more than this , if you didnt get it till now then i guess we will never agree , go ahead with the build if its fun for u :)

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Originally Posted by Pr0Styla so you're saying u can kill an euro str with cleric rod + shield and cleric buffs? u obviously have never met a good euro char before =P im not talking about the random noobs u find at pvp zone , im talking about average players( wont talk about pros cause u got 0 chance against those with this build trust me ) the only thing that keeps a char alive is the interrupts it has , and since your build has 0 then believe me u dont stand a chance ill say it again , u say u will use firewall so u can nuke as much as u like and the other player cant do anything? wrong since he can use cleric + shield and buffs then take down the wall with the rod ( again u cant kill an euro str in that mode , only noobs would die that way ) , and then u will recast firewall and do it all over again? well the cleric can do the same shit again and keep this up till your snow is over then again you're 1 hit i cant explain it any more than this , if you didnt get it till now then i guess we will never agree , go ahead with the build if its fun for u :)

Yeah zitodef talks bullshit, he never had a char that he reffers as strong. I lold when he said his pvp tactic vs str euro, firewall? Buahaha, I put mana skin, warcry, make bleed trough firewall(it can be done easily) and you die in 2 dare devils. Not the mention rogue who will fuck you up with just distnace shot on xbow extreme :)
Force/pacheon/cold is such a pvp fail i will not even comment :)

all of you forgot my other build Ice/force/bicheon full int 100% that can be a fucking strong really amazing build,
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Europeans
KD, + combos some times using ice wall, (knowing when) no nuks. can win a pvp.

Chineses
have force Debufs + KD combos. Great character.

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Originally Posted by zitodef Europeans KD, + combos some times using ice wall, (knowing when) no nuks. can win a pvp.

whatever you say :)

i personally would never lose to such a build (and also most of the euros on my server ) but well it all depends on who you are fighting

good luck man

well ok :D, who won? no body will know well good luck to you too and thx