Does Gemspots Works

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Originally posted by gurr90@Jun 27 2006, 19:24 how does it work

just read the tombstone's topic, :? [img]text2schild.php?smilienummer=1&text=yeey,i'm happy about the gem!!!!' border='0' alt='yeey,i'm happy about the gem!!!!' />

you people are retarted he asked a simple question big deal no need for spam just anwser him with a no...

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Originally posted by sonybaci@Jun 27 2006, 11:08 OMG,a super phoenix gem,wtf dude +k

lol wow, grats :cool:

tombstone i still dun understand......i pick out all equip and gears then dance?dance all the way till get gem? or dance then wear back gears and mine again?

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Originally posted by Heng4@Jun 28 2006, 08:49 tombstone i still dun understand......i pick out all equip and gears then dance?dance all the way till get gem? or dance then wear back gears and mine again?

no,unequip all your gear,ever pickaxe,if u have dance 7,dance it,after 1-2 hours u'l have a super phoenix gem like i did,this is working

Well how longer you are mining how more chance (without interuptions).
But however when i logged my miner in and let it mine not longer for a min i got a super moon..maybe right timing or right inventory ?
Also how more normal gems you have how higher the chance of getting another one.

People never know for sure if there is a mining spot..but let say on some spots you have more chance getting one then on another.

i dont know if anyone ever seen this but in this screenie CO admits that there are better spots to get ores, so why not gems ?

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Originally posted by Dignitys@Jun 28 2006, 11:12 Well how longer you are mining how more chance (without interuptions). But however when i logged my miner in and let it mine not longer for a min i got a super moon..maybe right timing or right inventory ? Also how more normal gems you have how higher the chance of getting another one. People never know for sure if there is a mining spot..but let say on some spots you have more chance getting one then on another. i dont know if anyone ever seen this but in this screenie CO admits that there are better spots to get ores, so why not gems ?

It's not neccesarily talking about chaning spot, it''s just telling you to move occasionally. You can move back to where you were and it makes no difference.

Mining in 1 spot for a long time slows down the rate you mine ores. The rate it slows down is a rate of 1/(t^2). Which means at first, the rate of mining is massive, and drops quite quickly, until eventually it reaches a stable, asymptotic (never reaching zero) rate. You'll notice your ore rate decreasing. Don't be fooled by people who say that this gives you a better chance of getting a gem, your complete mine rate has decreased, not just for ores.

If you get cotobo/coproxy or some other packet logger, and log the packets you receive from the server every time you strike the pickaxe, you will see a value starting at 100 (0x64), and it will decrease every time you strike your pick. This value is proportional to your mine rate (Based on visual statistics. it is CLEAR that your mine rate decreases as this number does). The decrease rate will really slow down at 10 (0x0A), which is when you should move spot, or before then if possible. As soon as you move ans strike the pickaxe, the value will shoot back up to 100, and you'll mine at a decent rate again.

The key to successful mining is moving as often as possible. It uses a simple product of the mine rate and a random value. Mathermatical probability shows that you are more likely to mine a gem/ore as soon as you start mining, and less likely to when you've been in the same spot for a while.

EDIT: Also, the mine you are in affects the rate. Higher level mines have a higher gem rate, unfortunately they provide crap gems. Don't use the lvl 15 mine unless you need Fury Gems, where you can't get elsewhere.

wow, thats what i call info thanks..
i never saw it that way..hmm i will move 3 miners of me and 3 i dont lets see what happends :)

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Originally posted by unknownone@Jun 28 2006, 07:46 It's not neccesarily talking about chaning spot, it''s just telling you to move occasionally. You can move back to where you were and it makes no difference. Mining in 1 spot for a long time slows down the rate you mine ores. The rate it slows down is a rate of 1/(t^2). Which means at first, the rate of mining is massive, and drops quite quickly, until eventually it reaches a stable, asymptotic (never reaching zero) rate. You'll notice your ore rate decreasing. Don't be fooled by people who say that this gives you a better chance of getting a gem, your complete mine rate has decreased, not just for ores. If you get cotobo/coproxy or some other packet logger, and log the packets you receive from the server every time you strike the pickaxe, you will see a value starting at 100 (0x64), and it will decrease every time you strike your pick. This value is proportional to your mine rate (Based on visual statistics. it is CLEAR that your mine rate decreases as this number does). The decrease rate will really slow down at 10 (0x0A), which is when you should move spot, or before then if possible. As soon as you move ans strike the pickaxe, the value will shoot back up to 100, and you'll mine at a decent rate again. The key to successful mining is moving as often as possible. It uses a simple product of the mine rate and a random value. Mathermatical probability shows that you are more likely to mine a gem/ore as soon as you start mining, and less likely to when you've been in the same spot for a while. EDIT: Also, the mine you are in affects the rate. Higher level mines have a higher gem rate, unfortunately they provide crap gems. Don't use the lvl 15 mine unless you need Fury Gems, where you can't get elsewhere.

You're wording and approach may give some readers the impression and implication that after mining in the same spot for awhile that it eventually becomes virtually impossible to attain gems. But as any experienced miner will tell you, moving around frequently will result in more ores, but not more gems... If your theory were true, we'd all be moving our miners every half hour but the simple fact is that mining in the same spot for an extended period of time, emphatically results in gems.

The fact that packet values decrease with each strike of the pickaxe is only indicative of a decreased rate in mined ores, nothing more.

Also you state that mining in higher level mines results in an increased gem rate... If comparing DC to TC I'd certainly agree with you, however PC offers a consistant gem flow that is equal or superior to DC and AC.

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Originally posted by Tombstone@Jun 28 2006, 20:34 You're wording and approach may give some readers the impression and implication that after mining in the same spot for awhile that it eventually becomes virtually impossible to attain gems. But as any experienced miner will tell you, moving around frequently will result in more ores, but not more gems... If your theory were true, we'd all be moving our miners every half hour but the simple fact is that mining in the same spot for an extended period of time, emphatically results in gems. The fact that packet values decrease with each strike of the pickaxe is only indicative of a decreased rate in mined ores, nothing more. Also you state that mining in higher level mines results in an increased gem rate... If comparing DC to TC I'd certainly agree with you, however PC offers a consistant gem flow that is equal or superior to DC and AC.

Yes, thats the impression I mean to give, because that is what I believe, based on ALOT of analysis. I have mined without moving at all for full spells between server maintanence, (fri - mon) in some cases, and I can honestly say, you mine next to nothing. No gems in well over 24 hours, and probably 1 ore per hour if you're lucky. Whenever I mine, I usually receive a gem when my bag is around half full, after starting mining. other times it happens when i've been mining for a while, but less often.

I believe that mine rate is a global rate for ores or gems, and the item you mine is generated if you have a successful mine. If you have two mine rates )one for gems, one for mets), you are performing an extra unneccesary comparison every mine, and you are also leaving the potential to mine a gem and an ore at the same time, unless you want to add FUTHER comparisons to prevent that. All my theories are based on the simplistic server method, the simpler it is, the more likely, and having multiple comparisons is not the simpler method.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but you should analyse something a little better before you come to a real conclusion. The real problem with this is mining in one spot for so long can prove difficult, due to pkers, so you could try AC mine or something. (Way back, I had an invisibility hack so my miner couldn't be pked).

I may not be right, but I'm pretty certain that mining in one spot for long time DOES NOT result in gems. I'm sticking to that unless you can generate more accurate statistics that show otherwise.

To each his own, by all means continue jumping around to your heart's content in your quest for gems.

As for me I'll follow the lessons of my own experience and that of a great many I've discussed the topic with ;)

No problem with that. I think you should try alternatives though, and if you're up to it, generate statistics like I have done.

Theres also the factor that TQ have always discouraged AFK play, so its unlikely they'd implement something to encourage it.

dude so how does this shitz work i been dance for tha last 23894758974948709+days (im kiddin) well i been doin for awhile can u guy tell me what im doin wrong?

1. i get there naked with nothing
1b.ihave nothing in my invent-cept a town scroll
2.i dance there for couple hour i tried 7 & 8

after this part i dont get - so do i mine with a pick or wait till its in my ivent?

lol danceeee

Btw tombstone u means i dance at 11.30 around 12.30 will get a sup nix? or must start at sharp xx.00 and will get sup nix at after an hour?