[HELP]how to start programing ?

Hi, I have a question. Where can I download the patch in 5065 to a private server, please help, I would like to create your own server but on patch 5065 primarily due to:)

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Originally Posted by bombiasty Hi, I have a question. Where can I download the patch in 5065 to a private server, please help, I would like to create your own server but on patch 5065 primarily due to:)

/another epic failure?:rolleyes:

i need this patch and source patch 5065

It doesn't matter how basic Basic is, nor does it matter if it's a good way to understand programming. What does matter on the other hand is that a language like C++ of C# will give you more programming knowledge, even though it might take some more time to learn.

cout << "Hello World!" << endl;
isn't that hard to understand

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Originally Posted by ookamocka well... still doesn't neglect the fact that BASIC is a great way to learn the fundamentals of programming... trust me, i don't like BASIC that much myself, but it's a perfect starting point... i would never want someone to write a program w/ BASIC (no offense IAmHawtness w/ ur VB :rolleyes:)

That makes 0 sense.

You think it is a great language to learn the fundamentals. Yet you think no one should use it?

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Originally Posted by high7 That makes 0 sense. You think it is a great language to learn the fundamentals. Yet you think no one should use it?

as in it's not as efficient as many other languages, but it's a great place to get an understanding on how programing works... y is that so hard to understand? -_-

Analogy:
like... learn to walk before you run, u get the fundamentals of how to move yourself from one location to another by walking, but getting from point A to point B is gonna take a lot longer by walking then running.. does it make more sense if i say it like that?... sure u can learn to run before you walk (not really, but for this analogy we'll just say it's true), but MOST would most likely be falling/tripping all over the place... eventually they'll get it, but it'd of been a lot easier if they learned to walk first

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Originally Posted by ookamocka as in it's not as efficient as many other languages, but it's a great place to get an understanding on how programing works... y is that so hard to understand? -_- Analogy: like... learn to walk before you run, u get the fundamentals of how to move yourself from one location to another by walking, but getting from point A to point B is gonna take a lot longer by walking then running.. does it make more sense if i say it like that?... sure u can learn to run before you walk (not really, but for this analogy we'll just say it's true), but MOST would most likely be falling/tripping all over the place... eventually they'll get it, but it'd of been a lot easier if they learned to walk first

I disagree better get used to classes/libs and syntax while getting started, In C++ you will start 'basic' anyway with the typical input/output crap.
So in your words, why not learn to walk with C++ instead of trying to run when your basic knowledge is of NO use at all :p

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Originally Posted by _fobos_ I disagree better get used to classes/libs and syntax while getting started, In C++ you will start 'basic' anyway with the typical input/output crap. So in your words, why not learn to walk with C++ instead of trying to run when your basic knowledge is of NO use at all :p

i'm just going from personal experience... i started off w/ BASIC, moving on to C... my roomate and a friend jumped straight into C... we took C together, and they'd spend 5-8 hours on one project, while i'd finish it in an hour, then they'd end up just looking at mine and fixing his... of course it could be just that i'm better at logical thinking then them... but then again, by the end of a second course we took in C, they were caught up to me and could finish a project as fast as i could... keep in mind it took them 2 semesters to be able to... so from personal experience i'd deff have to say, learn BASIC first... don't have to learn it in depth (since in the real world you won't use it really), but just the basics of BASIC

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Originally Posted by ookamocka i'm just going from personal experience... i started off w/ BASIC, moving on to C... my roomate and a friend jumped straight into C... we took C together, and they'd spend 5-8 hours on one project, while i'd finish it in an hour, then they'd end up just looking at mine and fixing his... of course it could be just that i'm better at logical thinking then them... but then again, by the end of a second course we took in C, they were caught up to me and could finish a project as fast as i could... keep in mind it took them 2 semesters to be able to... so from personal experience i'd deff have to say, learn BASIC first... don't have to learn it in depth (since in the real world you won't use it really), but just the basics of BASIC

You cant really compare no programming experience at all to some programming experience, because well its just a different way of thinking. I'd agree with you IF BASIC looked anything like C++ but it dont, and will only confuse on syntax, I mean why first get used to something then change and have to get used to that language, to me it doesnt make sense and I did regret not starting out with C++, oh well opinions can be different :)

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Originally Posted by _fobos_ ...oh well opinions can be different :)

i think we'll just leave it at that :)

Well just work on sources, learn from it. I've made a proxy by just looking through sources, editing them, edit my own server, implementing stuff on my own. And i learned by just experiemnting and looking up scripts on elitepvp to learn C++.

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Originally Posted by RiDiL i just finished my final exams today if i want to start learning programing .. what u should i start with ,, i mean what language to start where is the best to learn it ., if any one wants to help just say it

Start with Java or C++. After that picking up most other higher level languages such as Java, C++, Python, Perl, ect. should be relatively easy (with a few exceptions know as the gayness Ruby and Pascal is).
/*Note: Anyone that says to learn VB or the bastardized crap language known as C# first is FAIL. Don't listen to these noobs.*/

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Originally Posted by jamellathewhite /*Note: Anyone that says to learn VB or the bastardized crap language known as C# first is FAIL. Don't listen to these noobs.*/

nobody ever said VB... we said BASIC, don't put them into the same category (even though VB basically is BASIC)

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Originally Posted by RiDiL i just finished my final exams today if i want to start learning programing .. what u should i start with ,, i mean what language to start where is the best to learn it ., if any one wants to help just say it

Well... since this thread is still alive...

What are you planing to make Mr RiDiL ?

There is a bit of a conflict for beginners making bots ...

As i see it...

You got this language VB, that can make ugly lookin GUIs really quickly w/o much understanding of GUI design paradigms BUT will make it really hard if u wanna write something that hooks, or if u wanna do assembly (which a bit of is required for callin conquer functions), although can still be done...

And ...

You got this other language C++, that is much harder for beginners to write GUIs in, that will require some understanding of the GUI elements themselves, YET on the other hand makes it really easy to do hooks and to do the assembly language required for calling conquer functions.

And Then Ofcourse.

AutoIt/AHK/... and all those... These ones its really easy to make a quick keyboard / mouse macro that can do the job. But it is NOT for serious programmers. Its just there for people who wanna make something quickly.

All in all, a language is just a language.. You need to find one that best suits what ur gonna make, and best suits what u will make in the future.

u know the letters of BASIC --> Beginners All-purpose Syntax Instruction Code ... apparently designed for beginners, but i REALLY hate it... but thats probably bcuz im a M$ hater.. And oddly enough i used to program in GW-basic, QBasic and all of those.

Sorry to all those that like basic... but if ur serious about programming, learn C++ ... i think u would thank yourself in the long run.

You can do anything in any language, but not every language will be as nice back to u for the implementation side of things.

Thats just my opinion anyway, everyones will differ.

well the question sound simple but almost anyone can give you a different answer. I skip mynes. the truth is that you will need to grasp the basics of that specific languade first which is usually not so interesting at all by itself. better will be to have someone who know you or at least give you few tasks examples about these basics so you will get it easyer.

seriously expect micro$oft shits most languades are a bit familiar....

but as for what to learn data types, operations with them, loops etc functions ....
and at the end classes and related stuff to them.
dunno "everything is relative" cuz if you will go further and want to programe your own CO client that last thing you will be learning would be like Directx or OpenGL ....

so you see fully ultimate answer isnt aviable.
best would be to start with a programing languade which doesnt even have classes and objects but then again you will lose time and will have to relearn other languade syntax later on(even thru thats the smallest problem if it will be from non OOP languade)....
but seriously about programing mostly the only issue is syntax and correct implementation of the problem which that specific code have to solve.
"coding is 95% logic, rest syntax"

OOP = object oriented languade