i want to say something here , im very newbie and new to reverse engineering .. and cipher in tottal . so if i dont know what is the packed i will not know the packing style or methors or ways . or even will not know thier names . and you are kinda the ONLY one helping here . and almost answer all the ( counted secret ) questions . as long as u know the answers . the only thing i know about packer is the wiki page you linked to me on the other thread . so here if you dont mind i would like to ask about what is the paker and how to find it