Actually chris has been thinking about this for quite some time now, i remember back in the hellmouth days we were talking about doing this same thing.
XNA resources
03/30/2012 21:02
hunterman01#16
03/30/2012 23:06
KraHen#17
I guess we could do a whole team then :D
03/31/2012 15:57
pro4never#18
Well as I said I'm always interested in discussing ideas and fleshing out concepts with people but the actual development of a full fledged MMO is a massive project.Quote:
I guess we could do a whole team then :D
My current 'project' has been learning some more XNA and working on the actual design of my game (how the graphics, maps and objects in general will work). Right now I've settled on something similar to conquer. I keep coming back to it because it gives you the power and expandability for 3D while allowing for simpler 2d content to be used without looking completely out of place. Once I get a firmer grasp of XNA and EXACTLY how I want the game to be structured and played then I plan to work on a very small version of the game world (world editor, client/server and BASIC client resources). That will be enough to write and test game systems without needing any large amount of content. But past that making a full mmo is quite infeasible.
I hadn't thought about those concepts for years! The funny thing is the current concept is strikingly similar to some of the ones I discussed with you guys back then. They've become far more specific and had lots of stuff tweaked but the core behind it has stayed the same through about 4 complete re-works. Right now it's moved on more to a fantasy environment from the original sci-fi type concept, moved towards a simpler 2.5d world from a full fledged 3d one and the focus has been strengthened on dynamic and persistent content and storytelling.Quote:
03/31/2012 19:43
KraHen#19
Full fledged MMO? Who was talking about any mmo? o.o Personally I`m currently designing casual/indie games, lol.
03/31/2012 22:53
pro4never#20
Ahh I apologize. All my current concepts and designs involve creating permanence and basically expanding on the concept of online gaming.
IE: user choices having a true and lasting impact on the game world, creating a real sense of time passing and the world changing/developing etc.
Those are things never truly accomplished in multi player gaming (mmo or otherwise) and it's where my key interests lie.
IE: user choices having a true and lasting impact on the game world, creating a real sense of time passing and the world changing/developing etc.
Those are things never truly accomplished in multi player gaming (mmo or otherwise) and it's where my key interests lie.
03/31/2012 23:10
KraHen#21
Second Life? :)
04/01/2012 19:50
pro4never#22
Yes, minecraft and second life do a decent job but at the cost of stripping away any real plot or purpose. They turn into basically "Online Social Games" in a sense where the entire purpose of playing them is basically just the people. My ideas are all revolving essentially around these issues in mmorpgs.
Old republic is doing a good job with storytelling but of course can also not afford to make any player feel all that special because everyone is going through the same fixed storyline that cannot adapt dynamically to the conditions in the game.
What I'm talking about is a purposed history of the world which drives events in a dynamic, mostly procedural way. Here's a super minor example I keep coming back to...
Trade routes between towns are supplying a war effort. Many rpg's would involve things like "go fetch me X wood from the forest nearby so we can rebuild the bridge and get supplies rolling!" but because everyone has to be able to do that quest, the bridge is then destroyed again if you make a new character (instanced 'timelines' which separate players, make the world feel less interactive and can make playing with friends difficult). In this example you could have the two sides of the war effort either wanting the bridge to exist or be destroyed. Noobs on each faction would have the option of helping to re-build the bridge. No single person can feasibly rebuild it on their own (If they do put in large amounts of effort there would be extra rewards, perhaps the bridge named after themselves, etc. Just small things to make players who put in the work feel like they made an impact). While the bridge may end up destroyed at some point, it's due to on going player interaction, not due to a pre-scripted "repair/destroy the bridge" quest.
This is a TINY example but it brings up a lot of possibilities. Once this bridge is restored, it allows for better trade routes... This can allow persistant NPCs to roam, move to a new city, expand that towns size, shops or features or possibly even found a new town where players can then help bring resources, buy/sell goods, expand trade routes, build defenses, clear PVE elements from the area to win respect in the community. This all involves dynamic procedural content generation and is basically a effort/reward feedback system to encourage people to care about not only the NPCs but also the game world in itself. For putting in the effort they get increased rewards (both physical and bragging rights). If, for example, I put a huge amount of effort into a town, I protect it from bandits, bring all my goods there to buy and sell, build my home there, help them with defenses... the town might end up giving that player their own holiday, name city buildings after them, etcetc.
Obviously all very generic, broad concepts but that's the type of stuff I'm trying to break down into its smallest components and brainstorm on how to make these things feasible.
Old republic is doing a good job with storytelling but of course can also not afford to make any player feel all that special because everyone is going through the same fixed storyline that cannot adapt dynamically to the conditions in the game.
What I'm talking about is a purposed history of the world which drives events in a dynamic, mostly procedural way. Here's a super minor example I keep coming back to...
Trade routes between towns are supplying a war effort. Many rpg's would involve things like "go fetch me X wood from the forest nearby so we can rebuild the bridge and get supplies rolling!" but because everyone has to be able to do that quest, the bridge is then destroyed again if you make a new character (instanced 'timelines' which separate players, make the world feel less interactive and can make playing with friends difficult). In this example you could have the two sides of the war effort either wanting the bridge to exist or be destroyed. Noobs on each faction would have the option of helping to re-build the bridge. No single person can feasibly rebuild it on their own (If they do put in large amounts of effort there would be extra rewards, perhaps the bridge named after themselves, etc. Just small things to make players who put in the work feel like they made an impact). While the bridge may end up destroyed at some point, it's due to on going player interaction, not due to a pre-scripted "repair/destroy the bridge" quest.
This is a TINY example but it brings up a lot of possibilities. Once this bridge is restored, it allows for better trade routes... This can allow persistant NPCs to roam, move to a new city, expand that towns size, shops or features or possibly even found a new town where players can then help bring resources, buy/sell goods, expand trade routes, build defenses, clear PVE elements from the area to win respect in the community. This all involves dynamic procedural content generation and is basically a effort/reward feedback system to encourage people to care about not only the NPCs but also the game world in itself. For putting in the effort they get increased rewards (both physical and bragging rights). If, for example, I put a huge amount of effort into a town, I protect it from bandits, bring all my goods there to buy and sell, build my home there, help them with defenses... the town might end up giving that player their own holiday, name city buildings after them, etcetc.
Obviously all very generic, broad concepts but that's the type of stuff I'm trying to break down into its smallest components and brainstorm on how to make these things feasible.