[UNOFFICIAL] List Of Legit and Scam Providers List

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Originally Posted by theminkman ~retarded slop~

refer to my last post. or dont. imagine being an angry little assgoblin who is mad at a strangers success. stay mad little man.

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Originally Posted by maseratti are u ok lil bro? do u really think nbt is the main point here? lmfao ure clueless. seems like youre really trying to prove nbt isnt chud..

the only problem i see, and i think i speak for several people here, is how aggressively and unapologetically stupid your posts are. you and your angry little band of jealous gnomes.

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i have a sub to both and both are great. i'll keep subbing to them. stay mad gnome.

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Originally Posted by theminkman It's pretty obvious that Chud team is most likely giving the thread creator money outside the forum to give them a higher ranking and starting at Tier 1 from a unknown product in the scene.

At this point like i already know, everyone in the thread can see you are just a troll..

ChudVision have had a product in tier1 since i started to maintain this thread, NBT is have a good detection history, it's internal, it doesn't require anything to be disabled and you can even play with TPM & secure boot on and even windows defender, it's updated fast and the developer have in the last couple of weeks i have known about it added multiple features that was user suggested.

If you cannot comprehend that it's actually a good product at that why it's in tier1, i cannot help you and i won't keep on saying the same thing over and over again.

However when you try to attack my credibility at least provide some proof, otherwise it's directly against the Elitepvpers rules of "accusing" another user, which i don't appreciate.. I won't even report your post since it's so ridiculous that all the known people in the scene for rust and also on Elitepvpers can see it.

I have placed providers in tier3 (EvilCheats) and investigated for weeks on what about "wrong" doings and after investigation it found out most of the things wasn't true.

I have placed multiple providers in tier 2 and after investigating their wrong doing placed them in the untrusted section.

Whenever i have do anything of these sorts, i make sure i have proof to back up my claims so i don't "accuse" other people without have the proof to provide is needed, i have multiple times also provided these proof to people here on epvp to see, whenever a conflict or discussion couldn't be discussed in private, i then provide the proof that is needed for everyone else to see and evaluate.

I believe my credibility have been proven multiple times, and i have dealt with more providers that i can count at this time, so again.. Unless you can provide any proof don't make accusation, because it's against the rules and it's simply not nice to make accusations just because you can some kind of theory.

Hey man, been following this thread for a while and i appreciate the work but gotta be real, some of these recent changes to the tier list are making me scratch my head. This is supposed to be a fair list for the community, but it's starting to look like there's some weird bias going on.

First off, chudvision. you have them as tier 1 but they literally just got detected on sept 27th. shouldn't a dtc like that instantly knock them out of the top spot for a while? i mean the whole point of a "tier 1" is supposed to be reliability and security. how can a provider be the best of the best right after a ban wave? keeping them at the top just makes the whole list look sketchy.

and then this nobanthanks thing. i'm looking at your post from jan 10th where you said you got a sponsored key and were just hearing about them. you even said you need to "test it from time to time". now they're just magically in tier 1? based on what, a sponsored review and only being around for a few months? you even said yourself that it's "missing a very few features other internals have."

this is where it makes zero sense to me. you keep evilcheats in tier 2 cause of the menu and "low features" or whatever. first, the menu being "difficult" is just your opinion. But let's talk about what actually matters: detection history and rep. ec has been around for years, they've never had a detection. they have one of the cleanest and longest records in the rust scene, period.

so let me get this straight:

• provider a (chudvision) gets detected and stays tier 1.
• provider b (nobanthanks) is brand new, sponsored, and you admit it's missing features but it gets instant tier 1.
• provider c (evilcheats) has a perfect longterm record but is stuck in tier 2 because of a menu you don't like? you know the logic is just completely backwards man.

it really seems like you're ignoring the most important thing for a legit cheat, which is security and not getting banned, and instead you're just boosting whoever gives you a free key or whatever your personal favorite is. a list like this is only good if it's fair. right now it feels like you're putting your own opinions over the actual facts and that's misleading for people who are trying to find something safe.

look i'm not trying to attack you but you gotta ask about the integrity of the list here. the community deserves a ranking that's fair and based on real history, not on who gives you free stuff. the placements right now just don't make sense.

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Originally Posted by maseratti im being quoted by 3 people alexpsp, the reseller whose boss is snn astro, biggest snn glazer, maybe a mod or just:wojak: a fanboy. dude discovered chud a year ago and hasnt stopped glazing snn/chud since then. yall can check all his messages moretkunem, who somehow came back from a year and half inactivity just 2 weeks ago, every post defending snn/chud and of course, the guy running the list is part of the same group this list is a joke

Most of the people you named are just parasites living off/using daums hack for free because hes a nice guy.
His shit is always quality and u shouldnt judge him because of the retards hes surrounded himself with since n1ghack and before who are just glorified discord mods who dont have any actual input regarding the development
Even if he is involved w nbt, that would just guarantee quality, unless he goes a mimir again for mysterious reasons (god bless 10vgk updates a day)

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Originally Posted by 02407 Hey man, been following this thread for a while and i appreciate the work but gotta be real, some of these recent changes to the tier list are making me scratch my head. This is supposed to be a fair list for the community, but it's starting to look like there's some weird bias going on. First off, chudvision. you have them as tier 1 but they literally just got detected on sept 27th. shouldn't a dtc like that instantly knock them out of the top spot for a while? i mean the whole point of a "tier 1" is supposed to be reliability and security. how can a provider be the best of the best right after a ban wave? keeping them at the top just makes the whole list look sketchy. and then this nobanthanks thing. i'm looking at your post from jan 10th where you said you got a sponsored key and were just hearing about them. you even said you need to "test it from time to time". now they're just magically in tier 1? based on what, a sponsored review and only being around for a few months? you even said yourself that it's "missing a very few features other internals have." this is where it makes zero sense to me. you keep evilcheats in tier 2 cause of the menu and "low features" or whatever. first, the menu being "difficult" is just your opinion. But let's talk about what actually matters: detection history and rep. ec has been around for years, they've never had a detection. they have one of the cleanest and longest records in the rust scene, period. so let me get this straight: provider a (chudvision) gets detected and stays tier 1. provider b (nobanthanks) is brand new, sponsored, and you admit it's missing features but it gets instant tier 1. provider c (evilcheats) has a perfect longterm record but is stuck in tier 2 because of a menu you don't like? you know the logic is just completely backwards man. it really seems like you're ignoring the most important thing for a legit cheat, which is security and not getting banned, and instead you're just boosting whoever gives you a free key or whatever your personal favorite is. a list like this is only good if it's fair. right now it feels like you're putting your own opinions over the actual facts and that's misleading for people who are trying to find something safe. look i'm not trying to attack you but you gotta ask about the integrity of the list here. the community deserves a ranking that's fair and based on real history, not on who gives you free stuff. the placements right now just don't make sense.

Does 1 detection make a product not worthy of being in tier1? How many provider have the same detection history and features as ChudVision? How many of those is in tier1?

A sponsored key is something completely different than a sponsored review, i never do sponsored reviews i don't get any money from doing any of this, i usually get a test key to test a product and evaluate it and then write a review of it. These "missing features" are features that only rage cheats usually have, Desync, insta hit, big bullet, manipulation etc. I don't see this product lacking these features as a big negative.

Okay lets talk about even cheats.
- Their reputation is very questionable and that can he read from the user experiences on this thread.
- Their menu honestly sucks, i used it for about a month and even after weeks i found out how to disable and enable features in it.
- Their detection history is pretty bad if you consider their older product, this include their old "pricate" and public cheat.
- They have had major issues with facepunch bans for months, maybe even a year before it got fixed.
- They told me about a year ago that the new menu was gotta get released very soon, this didn't happen. (Another hit for their reputation in my book)

Let's get straight, i don't believe when a product get a detection every 1,5-2 years it should be placed lower in tiers, if it happens again in 6-9 months maybe.
NBT was a sponsored key, i made my review like i do with all other providers, as unbiased as possible and with it's current state and information.
EvilCheats isn't perfect, it have redeem it self very much the last year after i have looked into things and Acus really try to at least make it better, it's however not in a state where i think it's worthy of being in tier1.

I don't believe "security" is everything in cheating, a "ESP" only cheat with a perfect detection history isn't (MY) ideal cheat, by far.. However i never never give a provider a better tier because they give me a test key, if i was to do that i believe (Matrix, Serenity, NM, AimMaster, Dr-Cheats, Ignite, EvilCheats) should all be in tier1. (By your logic)

I don't try to mislead people, i give people a short review and detection history, with these things ANY user can choose whatever they feel is most important, whether it's a balanced cheat with a lot of features and good performance with low requirements or simply just a cheat that have been undetected for a very long time, is up to each person to choose, i however can only make this tier list as i see it, and that's why i also made a disclaimer at the bottom of the list. (Saying i cannot please all users and try to make it as unbiased as possible)

Yes you are directly trying to attack me, you are simply someone on an alt account that have 2 posts on this forum, everyone can it clear as day. However i do not mind replying and letting you know why i place providers as i do, simply because if anyone have been wondering the same thing as you, im sure they can see by now and looking the what i have done with the list, i do it for the users of this forum. If it's not appreciate i will think about quitting and then we can have the same list that all other sub-forums on here have, that only show 1/5 of the providers and only the ones that are "known" and are directly on Elitepvpers.

calling me an alt is a classic way to dodge the points i made, but let's talk about them since you brought them up.

you ask if one detection makes a product not worthy of tier 1. yes. that's literally what a top tier should mean. it's supposed to be the best and most secure. the moment it gets detected, it's failed at its most important job. you ask how many other tier 1's have that history? that's the whole point. maybe none of them should be in tier 1 if that's the standard. you're lowering the bar for what "top tier" means just to defend a recent detection.

and don't play semantics with the sponsored key. call it a test key or a sponsored key, it's the same thing. you got it for free to review it, which is fine but you're giving it special treatment. now you're saying the missing features are just "rage features". so a top tier cheat is one with fewer features than a lower tier one? you literally criticized ec for having a "decent/low amount of features" but you give nbt a complete pass for the same thing, calling their features "good". it's a total contradiction.

now let's talk about evil cheats since you brought up a list of excuses.
your point about their reputation being "questionable" from this thread... where? the recent posts have been positive. you're just saying that with nothing to back it up.

the menu is your personal opinion. you found it hard, a lot of people find it fine. but it's funny you call the ec menu bad but then in your review you praise the nbt menu, which looks almost the same, calling it "old school but with a modern touch". and then you call the wr-c menu "outdated & complicated" when it's the same style too. it just looks like you're using "bad menu" as an excuse when you want to put a cheat in a lower tier and praising the same style when you want to put one in tier 1. it's a clear double standard.

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and now you're bringing up "older products"? this list is about the current state of cheats. what their old public cheat did years ago is completely irrelevant to their current private internal product. if we're judging providers based on old, unrelated products, then half this list would need to be re-evaluated. you're digging for dirt on one provider while ignoring fresh detections on another.

you say you don't believe a detection every 1.5-2 years is a big deal. so your standard for the "best of the best" is that it's okay for them to get all their users banned every couple of years? that's a crazy low bar for tier 1. and "security isn't everything"? for legit cheating, it's the single most important thing. features, performance, menu... none of it matters if the cheat gets you banned in a month.

don't worry about my post count, worry about the facts i'm laying out. a lot of people read this thread without posting, you know that. and threatening to quit the list if people don't appreciate it? if you can't handle real criticism or questions about your logic, then maybe you shouldn't be running a list that the community relies on for safe choices. people are looking for honest info, not a personal blog where the rules change depending on the provider. all i'm asking for is consistency.

imma be real guys, i aint reading allat take it to dms

glad to see im not the only one whos beeen seing weird stuff going on

Oh its all EC retards that explains it

Why are these guys not all banned for actively spreading misinformation and shitposting at this point there have been 0 evidence provided so far.

”Erm NBT raid esp is orange and so is chud”

If we are going to talk about EC are we also going to talk about their support and how they handle customers? If so it should be tier 5.

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Originally Posted by 02407 calling me an alt is a classic way to dodge the points i made, but let's talk about them since you brought them up. you ask if one detection makes a product not worthy of tier 1. yes. that's literally what a top tier should mean. it's supposed to be the best and most secure. the moment it gets detected, it's failed at its most important job. you ask how many other tier 1's have that history? that's the whole point. maybe none of them should be in tier 1 if that's the standard. you're lowering the bar for what "top tier" means just to defend a recent detection. and don't play semantics with the sponsored key. call it a test key or a sponsored key, it's the same thing. you got it for free to review it, which is fine but you're giving it special treatment. now you're saying the missing features are just "rage features". so a top tier cheat is one with fewer features than a lower tier one? you literally criticized ec for having a "decent/low amount of features" but you give nbt a complete pass for the same thing, calling their features "good". it's a total contradiction. now let's talk about evil cheats since you brought up a list of excuses. your point about their reputation being "questionable" from this thread... where? the recent posts have been positive. you're just saying that with nothing to back it up. the menu is your personal opinion. you found it hard, a lot of people find it fine. but it's funny you call the ec menu bad but then in your review you praise the nbt menu, which looks almost the same, calling it "old school but with a modern touch". and then you call the wr-c menu "outdated & complicated" when it's the same style too. it just looks like you're using "bad menu" as an excuse when you want to put a cheat in a lower tier and praising the same style when you want to put one in tier 1. it's a clear double standard. [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] Looks familiar, doesn't it? and now you're bringing up "older products"? this list is about the current state of cheats. what their old public cheat did years ago is completely irrelevant to their current private internal product. if we're judging providers based on old, unrelated products, then half this list would need to be re-evaluated. you're digging for dirt on one provider while ignoring fresh detections on another. you say you don't believe a detection every 1.5-2 years is a big deal. so your standard for the "best of the best" is that it's okay for them to get all their users banned every couple of years? that's a crazy low bar for tier 1. and "security isn't everything"? for legit cheating, it's the single most important thing. features, performance, menu... none of it matters if the cheat gets you banned in a month. don't worry about my post count, worry about the facts i'm laying out. a lot of people read this thread without posting, you know that. and threatening to quit the list if people don't appreciate it? if you can't handle real criticism or questions about your logic, then maybe you shouldn't be running a list that the community relies on for safe choices. people are looking for honest info, not a personal blog where the rules change depending on the provider. all i'm asking for is consistency.

Is it wrong calling you an alt account? You have 2 posts since august 2021? And one of them is accusing me? Everyone with a little knownledge on this forum would easily be able to see you are on an alt account.

Let's agree to disagree then, i don't believe that 1 detection in 1.5-2 years isn't worthy of being in tier1, i believe a well featured, well made and also a secure cheat (Doesn't have to have a flawless detection history) is what a tier1 product is.

How is i giving providers that provide a test/sponsor key special threatmen? I just listed a bunch of the providers which aren't in tier1 and that i have gotten a test key from?

EvilCheats doesn't have the same amount of features that NBT have, it's as simply as that, they require more to be able to work, they have a way worse detection history and they reputation as i already explained is questionable.. That is why EvilCheats isn't in tier1, and why NBT is in tier1.

Honestly im not gonna go though 50 pages on this thread to find all the "drama" and people complaining about EvilCheats, it's something in the past and if you really wanna see the proof, you are gonna have to do some work your self and find it, it's well known and public on this thread.

I am not alone in calling it quite bad, the owner him self have also mentioned he thinks it's pretty bad and that is why he have said he is working on a new menu, for about a year now.

The two menu's are completely different, they are not similar in the way you navigate and use them. So no i don't find it a double standard, also WR-C isn't in tier2, only because of it's menu, if you took your time to read you would see it's performance and features are very lacking.

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Originally Posted by alexpsp00 Oh its all EC retards that explains it Why are these guys not all banned for actively spreading misinformation and shitposting at this point there have been 0 evidence provided so far. ”Erm NBT raid esp is orange and so is chud” If we are going to talk about EC are we also going to talk about their support and how they handle customers? If so it should be tier 5.

Yeah it would seem so, he can from now on argue with him self, i have explained more than enough and as you said it could seems like it's some EC fan that's simply unsatisfied.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Is it wrong calling you an alt account? You have 2 posts since august 2021? And one of them is accusing me? Everyone with a little knownledge on this forum would easily be able to see you are on an alt account. Let's agree to disagree then, i don't believe that 1 detection in 1.5-2 years isn't worthy of being in tier1, i believe a well featured, well made and also a secure cheat (Doesn't have to have a flawless detection history) is what a tier1 product is. How is i giving providers that provide a test/sponsor key special threatmen? I just listed a bunch of the providers which aren't in tier1 and that i have gotten a test key from? EvilCheats doesn't have the same amount of features that NBT have, it's as simply as that, they require more to be able to work, they have a way worse detection history and they reputation as i already explained is questionable.. That is why EvilCheats isn't in tier1, and why NBT is in tier1. Honestly im not gonna go though 50 pages on this thread to find all the "drama" and people complaining about EvilCheats, it's something in the past and if you really wanna see the proof, you are gonna have to do some work your self and find it, it's well known and public on this thread. I am not alone in calling it quite bad, the owner him self have also mentioned he thinks it's pretty bad and that is why he have said he is working on a new menu, for about a year now. The two menu's are completely different, they are not similar in the way you navigate and use them. So no i don't find it a double standard, also WR-C isn't in tier2, only because of it's menu, if you took your time to read you would see it's performance and features are very lacking. Yeah it would seem so, he can from now on argue with him self, i have explained more than enough and as you said it could seems like it's some EC fan that's simply unsatisfied.

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nts menu loooks just as outdated and complicated as wrcs.
but somehow you say its "very nice, easy to navigate and use".
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you're still stuck on my post count instead of the facts. it's a classic ad hominem. let's be clear, my account's age doesn't change whether a cheat was detected or not. you're trying to discredit the person because you can't discredit the argument.

we're not going to "agree to disagree" on what a top tier product is. you're creating your own personal definition for "tier 1" that conveniently allows for recent detections. for the community, tier 1 implies the absolute highest level of security. a cheat that gets you banned is not a "well made" or "secure" cheat, period. you can't have it both ways.

listing other cheats you got keys from doesn't prove you're unbiased. it just proves you get a lot of free keys. the bias isn't that every free key gets tier 1. the bias is that a brand new, sponsored product (nbt) that you admit is missing features gets put in tier 1 over a long-standing, undetected provider. you're trying to confuse the issue.

you just state "evilcheats doesn't have the same amount of features" as if it's a fact. where's the proof? where's the comparison? you also say they "require more to be able to work". what does that even mean? these are just empty statements with nothing to back them up.

and now you're saying you're "not gonna go though 50 pages" to find the proof for your own claims about their "questionable reputation"? that's incredibly lazy and dishonest. you're the one making the accusation, so the burden of proof is on you. telling me to "do some work your self" is the biggest cop-out i've seen on this forum. if you can't back up your claims, then you should retract them. it just proves you're throwing dirt to justify your biased ranking.

about the menu, who cares if the owner said he's working on a new one? that just means they want to improve. it doesn't make the current product bad. but let's be real, you're just shifting goalposts now. first, you put wr-c in tier 2 and said it was because of its "outdated & complicated menu". now that i've shown you that the nbt menu looks almost identical, you suddenly claim wr-c's rank is also because of "performance and features". you're changing your story because your original reason was exposed as a double standard. you deny the menus are similar, but everyone can see the screenshots. they are both simple, checkbox-based layouts. you just use positive words for one and negative for the other to fit your narrative.

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look, your entire response is just a list of deflections. you attack my account, you refuse to provide any proof for your claims, you shift your own goalposts when you're proven wrong, and you rely on your own subjective feelings instead of objective facts like detection history.

you say you do this for the users, but you're defending a recently detected cheat in tier 1 while smearing an undetected one with baseless claims from "the past" that you can't even be bothered to find. it's clear your list is not unbiased. it's just your personal opinion blog, and people should know that before they trust it with their accounts.

on top of that, you're also conveniently ignoring that chudvision is just a rebrand, so its entire detection history from before the name change doesn't count for some reason. it's another double standard to keep it in tier 1.

I'm done here, what a joke.

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Originally Posted by lort1234 Yeah it would seem so, he can from now on argue with him self, i have explained more than enough and as you said it could seems like it's some EC fan that's simply unsatisfied.

so now you've stopped trying to argue the points yourself and you're just quoting your friends who call people 'retards'? that's a new low. you can't defend your list so you're letting others do the name-calling for you.

let's be clear about that quote you pinned. "erm nbt raid esp is orange and so is chud" i never said that. not once. that's a complete strawman argument. you and your supporters have to literally make things up because you can't argue with the actual points i made about detection history and your biased reviews. and then he brings up ec's support? another baseless claim with zero proof. it's the same pattern over and over: when you're cornered with facts, you just throw more vague dirt.

and your final comment... "he can from now on argue with him self, i have explained more than enough". you haven't explained anything. you've dodged, deflected, and refused to provide a single piece of evidence for any of your claims. now you're running away from the discussion and trying to frame me as just an 'unsatisfied ec fan'.

this was never about being a fan of one provider. this was about holding you to a consistent standard. i used ec, wr-c, and chudvision as clear examples of your biased and illogical tier placements. you can't defend your logic, so you label me. it's the oldest trick in the book.

so let's recap this whole exchange for everyone reading:
i pointed out that a tier 1 cheat (chudvision) was recently detected. your defense was that getting users banned every couple of years is acceptable for tier 1.

i pointed out you boosted a new, sponsored cheat (nbt) to tier 1 while admitting it lacked features. your defense was to call them "rage features", even though you criticize other cheats for having a "low amount of features".

i pointed out the hypocrisy of calling one old-school menu (wr-c) 'outdated' while praising a nearly identical one (nbt) as 'modern'. your defense was to completely change your story about why wr-c was in a lower tier in the first place.

i pointed out that an undetected, long-term provider (ec) was in a lower tier. your defense was to bring up irrelevant old products and "drama" from the past that you then refused to provide any proof for, telling me to "do the work yourself".

and now, when you have absolutely no arguments left, you hide behind someone else's toxic post, attribute fake quotes to me, and try to exit the conversation by calling me an "alt" and a "fan".

you've proven every single point i made. this list isn't objective, it's just your personal blog. you can't back it up with facts, and you can't handle being questioned. thanks for making it perfectly clear to everyone what this list is really about.

Clearly this argument isn't about the list anymore, it seems very personal, so let me make it very clear.

Make a complaint in the complaint area on this forum and provide your "evidence" to the staff team of Elitepvpers, then i will provide all of my evidence too.

I am not gonna sit all Friday being mad and arguing with someone (I believe) at being an alt account and am i not gonna write pages of responses just because you feel like the list isn't "fair".

If you have any issues take i up with the staff team, then we can take it that way, i have everything in the clear and i have the means to provide all the proof needed.

I will stop replying and instead we can take it up with the staff team of Elitepvpers if you would like that.

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Originally Posted by 02407 ~shitpost~

i can tell from your desperate shitposts full of incorrect statements and logical fallacies that chud and nbt live rent free in your head, while acus probably lives rent free up your ass.

chud and nbt are of such higher quality and so far ahead of everything else in this cesspool community that it's almost insulting to even mention them in the same list as these other shit tier products.

tl;dr rankings are correct you tetanus hobbit, go cry alone like nature intended