Saryong | Server Start 05.12.2025 | Middleschool | International

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Originally Posted by Ryo_Saryong i wasn’t planning to respond to this kind of drama when a staff member leaves, but here we go. the screenshots shared by AP, former quality admin, actually show that the staff is transparent and has nothing to hide. he left on bad terms after i called him out for trying to flip the market on item shop items, which isn’t healthy for the server. the next day, we implemented a system to block the resale of item shop items, and that clearly didn’t please him. what he’s “reproaching” me for is basically this: “ryo isn’t nice, he doesn’t say thank you, ryo always says no to my suggestions, and he thinks he’s god because he says he created the gameplay.” i honestly find that a bit funny. regarding the screenshot about “market control,” that’s dishonest. vulcan simply asked for your opinion because it had been suggested by many players. you conveniently cut off the end of the message, where the final answer was clearly: “no, we’re not going to do that.” don’t fall into the trap of former staff members who leave the team and then come back spreading hate just because they’re no longer part of it. two days before this drama, the very same person came to me saying, “ryo is the best server i’ve ever played in my life.” as for the server, yes, it’s going through a difficult period with player loss and everything that comes with it. but you still have a team working hard, pushing patch notes as if nothing has changed, while many other server admins would have already given up. we’re still here, still fully committed, and we’ll continue to be as long as there are players investing their time in our server aside from that, everyone has the right not to like saryong, not to recommend it, and you’re free to say so. i actually welcome constructive feedback, so feel free to go all in. if it’s fair and honest, maybe it’ll help saryong improve.

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wer hier immer noch drauf spielt ist selber schuld. die armen unschuldigen admins

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Originally Posted by abod--CL [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] wer hier immer noch drauf spielt ist selber schuld. die armen unschuldigen admins

Explain what the problem is when the team tries to fix the issue of a server that may have fewer players at the moment, resulting in too many items on the market and thus a drop in their value, by buying up the items to give players the opportunity to improve the market economy again.

I don't see any problem with this chat or the actions of the TM itself. They are acting correctly and trying to help the market and give players the chance to sell the items for better prices and, above all, to sell them at all.

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Originally Posted by Shinjei Explain what the problem is when the team tries to fix the issue of a server that may have fewer players at the moment, resulting in too many items on the market and thus a drop in their value, by buying up the items to give players the opportunity to improve the market economy again. I don't see any problem with this chat or the actions of the TM itself. They are acting correctly and trying to help the market and give players the chance to sell the items for better prices and, above all, to sell them at all.

clearly you aren't the brightest candle on the cake are you? what we are seeing here is textbook market manipulation. if you actually think it's 'normal' or 'okay' for admins to mess with the economy behind the scenes you’ve lost all touch with reality.

does Saryong even stand for anything anymore? because right now, it looks like a sinking ship where the crew is looting the passengers before they drown. Between GMs who can't answer a simple ticket in under a week and an admin team that manipulates the market while banning anyone who speaks the truth who exactly are you trying to protect here?

if you can't see the problem with a rigged economy and a team that treats its players like garbage you're either part of the problem or just too blind to read. But hey, keep defending them while the player count hits rock bottom. The truth doesn't need your permission to be right.

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Originally Posted by abod--CL clearly you aren't the brightest candle on the cake are you? what we are seeing here is textbook market manipulation. if you actually think it's 'normal' or 'okay' for admins to mess with the economy behind the scenes you’ve lost all touch with reality. does Saryong even stand for anything anymore? because right now, it looks like a sinking ship where the crew is looting the passengers before they drown. Between GMs who can't answer a simple ticket in under a week and an admin team that manipulates the market while banning anyone who speaks the truth who exactly are you trying to protect here? if you can't see the problem with a rigged economy and a team that treats its players like garbage you're either part of the problem or just too blind to read. But hey, keep defending them while the player count hits rock bottom. The truth doesn't need your permission to be right.

This market manipulation you mention is done on EVERY server by the team. Saryong is no exception. There's no way to prevent it, and anyone who says otherwise simply doesn't understand how servers work. In the last 19 years that I've been playing Metin2 and the last 16 years that I've been playing P-servers, it has always been the case that the team had to do this or did it themselves. This has nothing to do with losing touch with reality, it's just a fact.


Where does the server rob its players? Where does the server engage in cash grabs and force players to buy overpriced items in the IS? I don't see it that way. The item shop is not required to play on the server, but is a help, unlike on many other servers where you really have to cash in. The IS simply offers too little for it to be considered a cash grab and is not needed enough.

It's quite normal (unfortunately) that the team members, especially GMs, usually have no idea, as they are usually taken on as GMs at random without any previous experience or expertise. So the team bans anyone who tells the truth? Okay, then why haven't I been banned yet, even though I've openly criticized them on Discord? Right, because I don't insult people, I'm not unfriendly, I don't write ridiculous things, and I don't attack people personally, unlike 99% of the people who have been banned. There are always reasons why people get banned.

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Originally Posted by Shinjei This market manipulation you mention is done on EVERY server by the team. Saryong is no exception. There's no way to prevent it, and anyone who says otherwise simply doesn't understand how servers work. In the last 19 years that I've been playing Metin2 and the last 16 years that I've been playing P-servers, it has always been the case that the team had to do this or did it themselves. This has nothing to do with losing touch with reality, it's just a fact. Where does the server rob its players? Where does the server engage in cash grabs and force players to buy overpriced items in the IS? I don't see it that way. The item shop is not required to play on the server, but is a help, unlike on many other servers where you really have to cash in. The IS simply offers too little for it to be considered a cash grab and is not needed enough. It's quite normal (unfortunately) that the team members, especially GMs, usually have no idea, as they are usually taken on as GMs at random without any previous experience or expertise. So the team bans anyone who tells the truth? Okay, then why haven't I been banned yet, even though I've openly criticized them on Discord? Right, because I don't insult people, I'm not unfriendly, I don't write ridiculous things, and I don't attack people personally, unlike 99% of the people who have been banned. There are always reasons why people get banned.

oh, i see. so your argument is basically: 'everyone is corrupt, so it’s fine if saryong is too?' that is the most pathetic excuse for bad management ive ever heard. just because youve spent 16 years playing on trash servers doesnt mean market manipulation is a fact of life it means youve just gotten used to being treated like a doormat.

you say you havent been banned because youre 'polite'? no, you havent been banned because youre a useful idiot for the team. they love people like you who normalize their incompetence. while youre busy writing essays about how normal it is that gms have no clue the rest of us actually expect professional behavior for our time and money.

and about the 'cash grab' a server doesnt need a forced item shop to be a failure. if the team manipulates the market to favor individuals they are stealing the time and effort of every honest player. thats even worse than a cash grab its a betrayal of the community.
if you enjoy playing in a rigged circus where the clowns dont even know their own game mechanics like magic attack value be my guest. but dont come at me with your '19 years of experience' when you clearly havent learned the difference between a quality project and a sinking ship

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Originally Posted by abod--CL oh, i see. so your argument is basically: 'everyone is corrupt, so it’s fine if saryong is too?' that is the most pathetic excuse for bad management ive ever heard. just because youve spent 16 years playing on trash servers doesnt mean market manipulation is a fact of life it means youve just gotten used to being treated like a doormat. you say you havent been banned because youre 'polite'? no, you havent been banned because youre a useful idiot for the team. they love people like you who normalize their incompetence. while youre busy writing essays about how normal it is that gms have no clue the rest of us actually expect professional behavior for our time and money. and about the 'cash grab' a server doesnt need a forced item shop to be a failure. if the team manipulates the market to favor individuals they are stealing the time and effort of every honest player. thats even worse than a cash grab its a betrayal of the community. if you enjoy playing in a rigged circus where the clowns dont even know their own game mechanics like magic attack value be my guest. but dont come at me with your '19 years of experience' when you clearly havent learned the difference between a quality project and a sinking ship

Well, since I'm going to save myself the time, I only have one question for you that will decide whether you're worth me continuing to waste my time on a ridiculous clown like you or not.


Why, if you have SOOOOO much experience and knowledge and are obviously the perfect server administrator because you would obviously do everything right (according to you), where is your server? Why isn't THE perfect server already online, with 20k+ players every day because it's SO good?
Apart from big talk and a lot of hot air, I haven't seen anything from you. But it's true, talking or writing, as in your case, is always easier :).

Set up a project yourself and do it better. Then you can spout nonsense like you did in your last messages here. But before that, go sit in the corner like a dog that can only bark :)

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Originally Posted by Shinjei Well, since I'm going to save myself the time, I only have one question for you that will decide whether you're worth me continuing to waste my time on a ridiculous clown like you or not. Why, if you have SOOOOO much experience and knowledge and are obviously the perfect server administrator because you would obviously do everything right (according to you), where is your server? Why isn't THE perfect server already online, with 20k+ players every day because it's SO good? Apart from big talk and a lot of hot air, I haven't seen anything from you. But it's true, talking or writing, as in your case, is always easier :). Set up a project yourself and do it better. Then you can spout nonsense like you did in your last messages here. But before that, go sit in the corner like a dog that can only bark :)

oh the do it yourself argument. ;D the last refuge for people who have run out of logic. i do not need to be a chef to know the food is burnt. and i do not need to run my own server to see that saryong is a sinking ship full of incompetence.

your logic is as broken as the servers economy: am i not allowed to criticize a car with failing brakes just because i do not own a car factory. am i not allowed to criticize a bad movie because i am not a director. do you realize how stupid that sounds or are you too busy sucking up to the admins.

i am a customer and a player. my job is not to run a server. it is to invest my time into a project that is managed professionally. saryong is failing miserably at the simplest basics. the fact that you compare valid criticism to barking dogs just shows how much of a slave you have become to this team.

so while you sit quietly in your corner eating the crumbs the admins throw at you people with actual standards are moving on :)

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Originally Posted by Shinjei This market manipulation you mention is done on EVERY server by the team. Saryong is no exception. There's no way to prevent it, and anyone who says otherwise simply doesn't understand how servers work. In the last 19 years that I've been playing Metin2 and the last 16 years that I've been playing P-servers, it has always been the case that the team had to do this or did it themselves. This has nothing to do with losing touch with reality, it's just a fact. Where does the server rob its players? Where does the server engage in cash grabs and force players to buy overpriced items in the IS? I don't see it that way. The item shop is not required to play on the server, but is a help, unlike on many other servers where you really have to cash in. The IS simply offers too little for it to be considered a cash grab and is not needed enough. It's quite normal (unfortunately) that the team members, especially GMs, usually have no idea, as they are usually taken on as GMs at random without any previous experience or expertise. So the team bans anyone who tells the truth? Okay, then why haven't I been banned yet, even though I've openly criticized them on Discord? Right, because I don't insult people, I'm not unfriendly, I don't write ridiculous things, and I don't attack people personally, unlike 99% of the people who have been banned. There are always reasons why people get banned.

show me the comments you made where you publicly criticized the team or the server.

Dead server, don't waste time on it.
Beginner Events / Valentien are poorly designed.
Same bug over and over, you can still remove +5 Stones from PVP events (Happened since the 1st one)
No hope, good 1 month run

I left the server, I'll make a summary of what I think about Saryong.

Staff is extremely good on the technical side: Gameplay design is excellent and addictive without disrupting the market, no DDoS at any point, QoL's and bug fixes delivered fast. They did a lot of good stuff, don't get me wrong.
But the staff is also awful both on the marketing and community management side. This is what I didn't like about the server, and I think these can (partially) explain why the server derailed:

- The server LOOKS empty.
There is way too many spots where to farm, which makes the server look empty.
More than 200 different metin spots where to teleport yourself just before you get level 40 (7 metins, 3 kingdoms, 6 CHs). Even in peak hours you end up teleporting yourself in a spot where you're the only one farming. Reducing immensely the farm spots (both pre-40 and post-40) would have made the server look actually alive, and that would have created a virtuous circle of traffic into the server.

- No guild war tournament
We alone (PublicEnemyz) bought 40 playing accounts into the server. You attract loads of players by pushing content for guilds (as they did on the presentation): Convincing 1 guild leader means bringing 30+ players on the server.
We asked for guild wars tournament for 6 weeks, and the response has always been: "Soon™", to the point where there were no more guilds that would have joined the tournament. The event would have been both a reason for new players to join and a reason for top players to stay.

- No one in the staff will help yo
No one seems to have powers or will to fix or look into (technical) issues players have. Devil's catacombs got you bugged in the wall in the early stages of the server, and no one refunded you runs or keys. Tome of fishing skill would reset if you logged out, and the staff wouldn't refund you the tomes. The host change made multiple people lose the sash, and no one would refund you. The casual buff was not clearly explained and is also (still) bugged.

- Vulcan ghosts you without any shame, at any point.
Krave provided a top notch quality bug hunting in the beta server and he got only 450 dragon coins ($20), the same amount that most people got after reporting 1 bug and calling it a day. When asking for explanations, Vulcan didn't respond. I got banned by Shadow (for no reason), asked for clarifications and didn't get a response. Mister Chill got scammed after buying an item shop's ring for 600kk because of a visual bug (in the early stage of the server, the item shop's ring couldn't be used for 24 hours if you used it in a dungeon), and Vulcan didn't respond or provide a refund.
Probably he didn't like our guild, or more reasonably he just didn't care and wasn't held accountable by anyone.

- GMs take hours to answer, if they ever do that.
I assume that it should be Vulcan (Team manager) to measure their response time and holding them accountable, but that obviously is a wet dream. One GM went as far as crashing one of our players during world boss, and he never answered. Shadow (TURK) was banned for botting, and to this day he's still a GM.
The fact that they have to use a 3rd client instead of their own character doesn't help. Making them helpers instead of GMs would have been a lot better probably.


The only staff member that really felt like caring about the players was ND and he left pretty soon. In my opinion the biggest loss of the server.
I hope to see Ryo again on a future project, because he has huge potential. But with someone that can pair him well on the marketing and on community management / costumer relationships.

Good luck to everyone still playing.

It was a server with huge potential but there were too many problems and they were also really unlucky constantly its kinda crazy..
I hope Ryo comes back with a new server that is built better gameplay wise but with same quality.

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Originally Posted by xGarou I left the server, I'll make a summary of what I think about Saryong. - GMs take hours to answer, if they ever do that. I assume that it should be Vulcan (Team manager) to measure their response time and holding them accountable, but that obviously is a wet dream. One GM went as far as crashing one of our players during world boss, and he never answered. Shadow (TURK) was banned for botting, and to this day he's still a GM. The fact that they have to use a 3rd client instead of their own character doesn't help. Making them helpers instead of GMs would have been a lot better probably. Good luck to everyone still playing.

Hello, I'm TURK who is you mentioned on this post. Through my friends I learned this post.

Firstly, I was not GM in Saryong and do not know anything about Shadow. You're clearly lying.

Then, you right about TURK was banned. Even managers explained it in Discord server, it was not me. Also, I logged my character to prove some idiots from game while I'm playing other server.

In both cases, either you don't know what's going on, or you're lying. Also, I remember that you were cursing me due to stealing your map bosses. Probably, reason of your hate about me.

Anyways, I love you and wish good luck.

Leider mid game aufgehört, Server hatte Potenzial hab auch gecasht aber die haben die Spieler vergrault

ist noch was los oder tote hose?

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Originally Posted by LxMx ist noch was los oder tote hose?

Toter Server, leider.