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Originally Posted by OutlawNL That's not called pay2win tho. Edit: even if a server doesnt make silk tradeable you would call it pay2win, cuz the only way to get prem etc is by donating. Unless ofcourse you basically do a server without donations. But the reason people host a server is profit, so your so called pay2win concept will ALWAYS happen. Unless you find a team who genually cares.

If u read my last post you would see I said PLAY2WIN ENOUGH.

It's not as simple as asking PLAY2WIN, yes/no? The question is how much. And selling ingame currency is right below selling ingame weapons and armor.

In free to play games there will always be cash shops. So there must always be some incentives to make players donate, to keep the game alive. It's up to the moderators to determine just how much of an advantage spending will give u. The only way to get 100% play to win is by only selling cosmetics. (it has been done and it works). But what can you say the server wants to make big bucks so that's out if the question.

If silk was not tradeable the server would be significantly less play to win. To the point where premium items would only get you so far. For example a player using premium plus vs one without would barely show a difference in damage numbers. You get urself a premium once a month and that's it. 5% advantage over non donators. That is very tolerable. Tradeable silk however gives you an unlimited supply, as long as you keep paying you profit. More silk = more gold, and no time wasted. Almost instantaneous gratification. That I can't take. Especially in this server where silk is in higher demand than gold. I've literally seen globals like "Wts some weapon, silk offers only"

when will you fix alchemi bug ?????

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh If u read my last post you would see I said PLAY2WIN ENOUGH. It's not as simple as asking PLAY2WIN, yes/no? The question is how much. And selling ingame currency is right below selling ingame weapons and armor. In free to play games there will always be cash shops. So there must always be some incentives to make players donate, to keep the game alive. It's up to the moderators to determine just how much of an advantage spending will give u. The only way to get 100% play to win is by only selling cosmetics. (it has been done and it works). But what can you say the server wants to make big bucks so that's out if the question. If silk was not tradeable the server would be significantly less play to win. To the point where premium items would only get you so far. For example a player using premium plus vs one without would barely show a difference in damage numbers. You get urself a premium once a month and that's it. 5% advantage over non donators. That is very tolerable. Tradeable silk however gives you an unlimited supply, as long as you keep paying you profit. More silk = more gold, and no time wasted. Almost instantaneous gratification. That I can't take. Especially in this server where silk is in higher demand than gold. I've literally seen globals like "Wts some weapon, silk offers only"

After reading the first sentence I gave up reading because I truly have my doubt you have any idea what I'm talking about, and what I'm trying to tell you. Read what I wrote so far a few times, think unbiased and let it sink in. After that respond again.

Edit: read your stuff, doubt u have any idea how much 5% increase AND absorp is. Im not 100% sure about this but i think a 9d sox clean on this server is like 1700 mag dmg lowest side. So considering ppl without prem do 5% less and donaters do 5%MORE you will come on donaters is 105% dmg and non donaters 95% which makes the 1700 of donaters go from 1700 to 1785 and non donaters from 1700 to 1615 (excuse me if i made an error here, no calculator here and my phone is tripping balls) afaik nearly 200 mag dmg is more than the sos amd som diff. What can u conclude here? Prem is more OP than the sos and som diff, oh btw prem even gives MORE benefits besides the inc and absorp

Edit2: for ppl who not may to see my point, this guy says he rather has ppl not getting prem over moon. Difference between sos and moon is roughly 80 mag atk when prem difference of having it and not having it is like 170 or smth

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL After reading the first sentence I gave up reading because I truly have my doubt you have any idea what I'm talking about, and what I'm trying to tell you. Read what I wrote so far a few times, think unbiased and let it sink in. After that respond again. Edit: read your stuff, doubt u have any idea how much 5% increase AND absorp is. Im not 100% sure about this but i think a 9d sox clean on this server is like 1700 mag dmg lowest side. So considering ppl without prem do 5% less and donaters do 5%MORE you will come on donaters is 105% dmg and non donaters 95% which makes the 1700 of donaters go from 1700 to 1785 and non donaters from 1700 to 1615 (excuse me if i made an error here, no calculator here and my phone is tripping balls) afaik nearly 200 mag dmg is more than the sos amd som diff. What can u conclude here? Prem is more OP than the sos and som diff, oh btw prem even gives MORE benefits besides the inc and absorp

Take this logic in ok. Ill make it simple for u

Scenario 1. (Untradeble sllk and silk items)
U have a premium and i don't.You hit 200 more dmg big whoop
Do you really think it matters if i crit 25,300 vs 25,500? Really?

Scenario 2. (Tradeable silk and silk items)
I can buy full som+9+10 set and som+11 weapon using silk only in one freaking day. Simply by swiping my credit card then flashing my silk online. I don't need to grind/bot/work hard/nothing. All i need o do is swipe my card and i can stand with the best. I can also sell silk for gold and use that towards upgading to sosun.


I can deal with scenario 1. All i need to do is work hard and acquire better gear. I can't deal with scenario 2. Ppl can always buy their way to the top.

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh Take this logic in ok. Ill make it simple for u Scenario 1. (Untradeble sllk and silk items) U have a premium and i don't.You hit 200 more dmg big whoop Do you really think it matters if i crit 25,300 vs 25,500? Really? Scenario 2. (Tradeable silk and silk items) I can buy full som+9+10 set and som+11 weapon using silk only in one freaking day. Simply by swiping my credit card then flashing my silk online. I don't need to grind/bot/work hard/nothing. All i need o do is swipe my card and i can stand with the best. I can also sell silk for gold and use that towards upgading to sosun. I can deal with scenario 1. All i need to do is work hard and acquire better gear. I can't deal with scenario 2. Ppl can always buy their way to the top.

200 mag atk doesn't equal 200 actual damage that's one, my thing was dmg when ustarted talking about crit instead of actually doing how crit works u added 200 more??? Wat???

And u can also get a whole sos set in a day +7-8 unless ofc u dont try, which here is the proper difference of sos and som 6+~ compared to a prem.

So please, stop being enbaressing to everyone.. You have clearly no idea how dmg works, and what a % in sro ACTUALLY is in terms of dmg

U can deal with scenario one because it's complete nonsense that you made up and is actuallly smth everyone would agree on. 2nd of u basically equals scenario 1 if u know what you're talking about

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL Edit2: for ppl who not may to see my point, this guy says he rather has ppl not getting prem over moon. Difference between sos and moon is roughly 80 mag atk when prem difference of having it and not having it is like 170 or smth

This is how i can tell you dont understand
I rather players earn gear instead of pay for it with real money.

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Fine, miscalculation on my part. I thought u meant 200 dmg not 200 mag atk.
Thats not my main point tho, premium is not a cosmentic, that can also be removed.

My point is what i've typed in bold.
Ill say it again.
Players can buy gear with real money wihout working for it.
Buy silk > Buy gear
Buy silk > Sell for gold
Buy silk > Win.

0 Effort, 0 time.

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh This is how i can tell you dont understand I rather players earn gear instead of pay for it with real money. My Edit: Fine, miscalculation on my part. I thought u meant 200 dmg not 200 mag atk. Thats not my main point tho, premium is not a cosmentic, that can also be removed. My point is what i've typed in bold. Ill say it again. Players can buy gear with real money wihout working for it. Buy silk > Buy gear Buy silk > Sell for gold Buy silk > Win. 0 Effort, 0 time.

Your point is buying something that makes u stronger tha someone that doesn't pay (in this case within a day) im just comparing it to a prem (if it is or isnt there) cuz u basically gave the option of making silk untradeable (unless as i said before, the team is really caring and doesnt want donations) oh btw wake up call 200 mag atk on a weap can easily be like 4-5k damage, good morning welcome to sro (prem gives 4-5k more dmg, but moon gives like 600 dmg more, yet you make a bigger deal of of soX rather than the silk items) and yes ppl can buy HIGH + gears, a whole +11 set even you know what u need to get to get an equavelent of the prem dmg diff? Sos +7 and som +11 would be the same as non prem and with prem. Welcome to the world of sto calculations, as i wrote before numerous times. You have NO idea what you're ACTUALLY talking about.

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh This is how i can tell you dont understand I rather players earn gear instead of pay for it with real money. My Edit: Fine, miscalculation on my part. I thought u meant 200 dmg not 200 mag atk. Thats not my main point tho, premium is not a cosmentic, that can also be removed. My point is what i've typed in bold. Ill say it again. Players can buy gear with real money wihout working for it. Buy silk > Buy gear Buy silk > Sell for gold Buy silk > Win. 0 Effort, 0 time.

Your point is buying something that makes u stronger tha someone that doesn't pay (in this case within a day) im just comparing it to a prem (if it is or isnt there) cuz u basically gave the option of making silk untradeable (unless as i said before, the team is really caring and doesnt want donations) oh btw wake up call 200 mag atk on a weap can easily be like 4-5k damage, good morning welcome to sro (prem gives 4-5k more dmg, but moon gives like 600 dmg more, yet you make a bigger deal of of soX rather than the silk items) and yes ppl can buy HIGH + gears, a whole +11 set even you know what u need to get to get an equavelent of the prem dmg diff? Sos +7 and som +11 would be the same as non prem and with prem. Welcome to the world of sto calculations, as i wrote before numerous times. You have NO idea what you're ACTUALLY talking about.

Edit: You think im drifting off of the subject, but I don't because as YOU call it the subject is 'pay2win' so what I'm saying is perfectly on topic ;)

You are going on and on, only to prove my point. If 3% increase from a premium SILVER is SOOO HUGE then it adds to pay to win, no? Remove that shit. (Premium PLUS is 10% THREE times as much. 3 fucking times as much dude. Lets hear u now?)

Remove premium, remove dmg increase scrolls, remove devil spirit, stop selling "silk". Dont need to make other cash shop items untradeable. These few things are enough. Especially the silk, that's just ridiculous

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL And u can also get a whole sos set in a day +7-8 unless ofc u dont try, which here is the proper difference of sos and som 6+~ compared to a prem.

Nigga no.
1. You need to first get to lvl 70ish. This alone takes a day.
2a You need either find a full sos set/acc/weps yourself. This will take about a week.
2b. OR you earn money by botting and selling or trading (which is impossible with shit gear)
3. Only now can you proceed to try and pimp that set to +6+7

However if you fork out some cash you can get a full +10 set and weapon as soon as you login for the first time. On lvl 1.

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh Scenario 1. (Untradeble sllk and silk items) U have a premium and i don't.You hit 200 more dmg big whoop Do you really think it matters if i crit 25,300 vs 25,500? Really? .

Well, its more like about 300 per SSE hit. So instead of 8k - 8k hit, its a 8,3k - 8,3k hit. which means 600 damage. without Crits involved.
Premium matters more than you think.

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh You are going on and on, only to prove my point. If 3% increase from a premium SILVER is SOOO HUGE then it adds to pay to win, no? Remove that shit. (Premium PLUS is 10% THREE times as much. 3 fucking times as much dude. Lets hear u now?) Remove premium, remove dmg increase scrolls, remove devil spirit, stop selling "silk". Dont need to make other cash shop items untradeable. These few things are enough. Especially the silk, that's just ridiculous Nigga no. 1. You need to first get to lvl 70ish. This alone takes a day. 2a You need either find a full sos set/acc/weps yourself. This will take about a week. 2b. OR you earn money by botting and selling or trading (which is impossible with shit gear) 3. Only now can you proceed to try and pimp that set to +6+7 However if you fork out some cash you can get a full +10 set and weapon as soon as you login for the first time. On lvl 1.

That first shit you wrote, is pretty fucking much my wholepoint which i stated in like my 1st or 2nd big post.

1. This counts for donaters too, so you say u can get moon in 1 day. But you also say it is possible to get som in 1 day if u pay (hello? U ok bro? Too much weed?)
2. I beg to differ I got full sos +6-7 within one day once i got lvl 90, also got full honor buffs ( the first in the server ) and the #1 thief title aaaand full blue!
3. Read 2? I guess?

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Originally Posted by futzgen Well, its more like about 300 per SSE hit. So instead of 8k - 8k hit, its a 8,3k - 8,3k hit. which means 600 damage. without Crits involved. Premium matters more than you think.

Yeah he corrected my calculations. I can admit when im wrong Read my last post.
However, proving to me that premium has a great effect only states that it adds to pay to win.

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL 1. This counts for donaters too, so you say u can get moon in 1 day. But you also say it is possible to get som in 1 day if u pay (hello? U ok bro? Too much weed?)

1. Donators also need to reach cap, yes duh. But that doesn't mean you can buy your gear on lvl.1 and save it for later.

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL 2. I beg to differ I got full sos +6-7 within one day once i got lvl 90, also got full honor buffs ( the first in the server ) and the #1 thief title aaaand full blue! 3. Read 2? I guess?

2. Lol, it's easier to job when the server is brand new. DUH AGAIN.
No veterans to 1 shot you. Although to be #1 is hard work. Props

3. Thats great what you accomplished in a day with hard work.
Guess what, you can do much better than that with money. VIA silks, i guess?

But you can stop telling me what you can accomplish with hard work.
You just need to see what you can accomplish by spending money.

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh Yeah he corrected my calculations. I can admit when im wrong Read my last post. However, proving to me that premium has a great effect only states that it adds to pay to win.

Once again you don't know what pay to win means.

Let me make it clear for ya.

1. Can you buy a premium without €/£/$? If yes it's not pay2win but probably (in this case it does) gives an advantage or a big advantage to donaters. If no it's litteral pay2win

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh Yeah he corrected my calculations. I can admit when im wrong Read my last post. However, proving to me that premium has a great effect only states that it adds to pay to win. 1. Donators also need to reach cap, yes duh. But that doesn't mean you can buy your gear on lvl.1 and save it for later. 2. Lol, it's easy to job when the server is brand new. DUH AGAIN 3., thats great what you accomplished in a day with hard work. Guess what, you can do much better than that with money. VIA silks, i guess?

I was thief since day one, never jobbed in a pt always solo. You explain me how that would possibly give me a single advantage when the whole server (even my own guild) is t/h and no i didn't cheat.

oRly dude donaters have an advantage if u were actually reading what i wroye rather than rage commenting you woulda seen my point......

Ps. It's cute how you copy my style of answering when you're not making sense :*

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL Once again you don't know what pay to win means. Let me make it clear for ya. 1. Can you buy a premium without €/£/$? If yes it's not pay2win but probably (in this case it does) gives an advantage or a big advantage to donaters. If no it's litteral pay2win

Apparently i should stop saying pay2win. Premium is a significant cash advantage, which you can purchase without working for it. You cannot argue with that.

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL I was thief since day one, never jobbed in a pt always solo. You explain me how that would possibly give me a single advantage when the whole server (even my own guild) is t/h and no i didn't cheat.

I already explained, a brand new server, there is are no tough players. Can't you see people complaining about trading impossible for new players since all thieves are decked out? Are you joking? Read back a few pages

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Originally Posted by Nagaeh Apparently i should stop saying pay2win. Premium is a significant cash advantage, which you can purchase without working for it. You cannot argue with that. I already explained, a brand new server, there is are no tough players. Can't you see people complaining about trading impossible for new players since all thieves are decked out? Are you joking? Read back a few pages

O jeez it only took you like what was it? 16 back and forth posts to realise what I was aiming for with my first post?! Paying attention right here!

Lmfao depends how you see things, the way how u see trading being impossible now was the same for me when i was thief, but then vise versa. When i was thief there were very litteral 3 more thieves and 1gbot thief. So i was pretty much as 1 thief vs the whole server, how is this different from trading when everyone is thief? Don't be so ignorant, don't try to bring down a server when it's as balanced as u get it. Ps, got the whole sos+6/7 set without even jobbing so it doesn't change shit 😂
Ps. Kind of dont blame ya for ur reason the mainstream SRO community does the same. Every day I logged in ppl called me cheater(the ones that just dont play sro as it shuld be played anymore) and the genuine ones (the fewer) asked for tips! 💪🏻

At least we can both agree that this server sells items that give you a significant advantage, without time or effort. If you dont want to call it pay2win lol whatever makes you sleep at night.

It is never 1 thief vs server btw. Ignore large trades with hunters. Attack defenseless traders.
Look what others are complaining about


I dont care about the job system though, not here to talk about hard work.
I'm just saying you can profit super significantly by spending cash, without time and effort
Yes/No?