Januera | 10 DG | Play2Win | Custom FW | Skill Balance | Grand Opening 08.05.2015

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Originally Posted by duboisi Could not agree more. Plus, they basically tried to balance 1vs1, meanwhile forgetting silkroad is about team play. So, I wanna know how ch builds will be useful in terms of group wars. Please dont tell me that it was not possible to balance the builds in everything. Already know that. Now when you tried to balance the pvp system you killed the team play. I wish you could just open it with only CH, then we would not have any problems.

Yup I totally agree with the whole CHN only thing, it's just bullshit nerfing EU to the ground in terms of teamplay, if you're gonna make it CHN/EU nerf the damage, stop nerfing the party buffs unless you nerf it in the way of making stuff like PQ & Fences non-stackable. For example can't stack PQ with fences, cant use mag & phy def at the same time. Only str or int buff possible that's some propper changes. But removing fences and lowering heals, lowering def what the actual fuck.

Ps. most of you won't even realise it maybe, but try playing a fortress war/job war with these changes, if a guild/party has a few wizards they will 1 shot every single person, they'll 1 shot a wizard with PQ. They will 1 shot a warrior due to low defence, they will 1 shot anyone but nope, not the CHN. No point in playing EU on the server. Might as well remove it, and have fun with CHN.

thats what i said before.
you are trying to balance the server but "destroying" whole builds instead. You are giving your best but focussing too much on pvp. You cant nerf the build Warrior/cleric without destroying other builds with cleric as the second build.

same story again: only chinese and only EU server would be the best decision you could make :)

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Originally Posted by Muhab Ashraf bla bla

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Originally Posted by Muhab Ashraf Every single skill/buff we touched in EU is also linked with other builds, like the only reason fences are removed is to lower the number of wizards chars in the server as then ppl will think they wont be supported by warriors as before, we would remove BARD first if we was to remove builds yet we clearly tried to encourage players to give a try on different builds so the server don't be like a warrior + wizard server only. Removing builds is not the best option, it would be much more easy for us as well but no. You all gonna see the build distribution once the official server is up. I can't wait for that. Finalising: You CANT say that EU is now weak, it still has enough power to beat CH, you cant say that CH is weak i didn't create the CH race from 0, THIS IS SILKROAD itself. I made it STRONGER we can say CH is STRONGER than before which is more fair for everyone. So this is what we have in Januera, keep hating if your favorite build is not OP anymore that was my bad asking for your suggestions, anyway lets see! 6 Days to go.

So rendering them useless will make the fun in the server bigger ? Look if you don't want a warrior+wizard server then why on earth do you make the changes that it's gonna be either you go a CHN char or you warrior.(In some cases maybe some guys will go bard, but ye bard is useless now too considering they wont get warrior buffs due to every warrior only having 2 defence party buffs, and yeah bards are 1 shots~ with no PQ)

So it's a CHN or go warrior server now.

ps. people will only be running around with more bot bards at this rate why? because a CHN with bard buffs is fucking immortal.

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL Yup I totally agree with the whole CHN only thing, it's just bullshit nerfing EU to the ground in terms of teamplay, if you're gonna make it CHN/EU nerf the damage, stop nerfing the party buffs unless you nerf it in the way of making stuff like PQ & Fences non-stackable. For example can't stack PQ with fences, cant use mag & phy def at the same time. Only str or int buff possible that's some propper changes. But removing fences and lowering heals, lowering def what the actual fuck. Ps. most of you won't even realise it maybe, but try playing a fortress war/job war with these changes, if a guild/party has a few wizards they will 1 shot every single person, they'll 1 shot a wizard with PQ. They will 1 shot a warrior due to low defence, they will 1 shot anyone but nope, not the CHN. No point in playing EU on the server. Might as well remove it, and have fun with CHN.

I understand you but please you also understand the fact: If you don't nerf EU, WHATEVER YOU DO with CH race, people will ALWAYS go for EU chars and the server race distribution will be like 80% vs 20%, even more for eu. But this way, less EU and more CH which is our main goal in Januera.

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Originally Posted by aliwood I think the changes made to EU are good for pvp, about EU teamplay the best solution would be to put back Fences with a lower % but unstackable with PQ (dunno if its even possible). The healing skills nerf dont have a big impact on teamplay imo, in general u have enough clerics in a pt to spamm healing. Making a full pt invincible for 60-70sec isnt something you wanna fight agaisnt, thats why you MUST nerf some stuff.

The pq & fence stacking thing is indeed possible, Bodo made a server having these changes before.

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Originally Posted by Muhab Ashraf I understand you but please you also understand the fact: If you don't nerf EU, WHATEVER YOU DO with CH race, people will ALWAYS go for EU chars and the server race distribution will be like 80% vs 20%, even more for eu. But this way, less EU and more CH.

when server will be online?
me and my friends want to test it :)

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Originally Posted by Muhab Ashraf I understand you but please you also understand the fact: If you don't nerf EU, WHATEVER YOU DO with CH race, people will ALWAYS go for EU chars and the server race distribution will be like 80% vs 20%, even more for eu. But this way, less EU and more CH which is our main goal in Januera.

I understand nerfing EU, as I stated before. But the nerfs this server got, are making the EU race basically a buff-bot race, putting it in simple terms.

Why bother having a race that's only good for buffing? That will take away the fun completely, why? Because most(now i feel most ppl will do a CHN char) CHN chars will be immortal due to buffs, and eu chars will be nothing more than the CHN bitches.

Lets make a bet :). if i beat evry ch int player with ch str you will make these changes. 25%lighting buff lvl 100 mastery necessery. 315% nuke. all snow shield nerf 10%. duration 90 sec cooldown 100sec. still beta lets give a try my suggestion

The shit joymax did is not something fixable, at least i think so. You should have just left it as its. I know you worked hard for this balance thing and i appreciate that. But with this so-called balance, its worse.

Try it then we talk. Skill balance conversation is over.

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL Yup I totally agree with the whole CHN only thing, it's just bullshit nerfing EU to the ground in terms of teamplay, if you're gonna make it CHN/EU nerf the damage, stop nerfing the party buffs unless you nerf it in the way of making stuff like PQ & Fences non-stackable. For example can't stack PQ with fences, cant use mag & phy def at the same time. Only str or int buff possible that's some propper changes. But removing fences and lowering heals, lowering def what the actual fuck. Ps. most of you won't even realise it maybe, but try playing a fortress war/job war with these changes, if a guild/party has a few wizards they will 1 shot every single person, they'll 1 shot a wizard with PQ. They will 1 shot a warrior due to low defence, they will 1 shot anyone but nope, not the CHN. No point in playing EU on the server. Might as well remove it, and have fun with CHN.

You are taking extreme situations as exemples, a Wizz can one shot an other wizz with PQ only if he is under LT, so the counter to dat is to hold ur rod & chheild buff urself & glut that SUPER OP wizz, i mean its true wizz wont be immortals now but u still have ur SRO experience, ur skills so adapt instead of flaming. Warriorz got a passive defence, so lowering clerics buff 100 mag def or 50 phy def isnt a big deal since they already have more def than CH. The only thing which affects the EU global balance is the absence of Fences, which, as i said before, can be solved with the PQ+Fence unstackable thing, as we all suggested & Muhab should put some real thoughts into it.

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL I understand nerfing EU, as I stated before. But the nerfs this server got, are making the EU race basically a buff-bot race, putting it in simple terms. Why bother having a race that's only good for buffing? That will take away the fun completely, why? Because most(now i feel most ppl will do a CHN char) CHN chars will be immortal due to buffs, and eu chars will be nothing more than the CHN bitches.

So, are you willing to bet that CHN pt beats an EU pt because of these changes?

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Originally Posted by OutlawNL I understand nerfing EU, as I stated before. But the nerfs this server got, are making the EU race basically a buff-bot race, putting it in simple terms. Why bother having a race that's only good for buffing? That will take away the fun completely, why? Because most(now i feel most ppl will do a CHN char) CHN chars will be immortal due to buffs, and eu chars will be nothing more than the CHN bitches.

Eu still have way better damage then ch, rogue still op with 3 hit combo, warrior can duble crt peoples, and these changes not make them usless. Warriors still the best for events like fw and job, they only have a harder time. Only the pvp the problem cause pvp gonna be full str ch and eu caracter war again, cause ch int not gonna be decent with this buff, so evrybody will go for armor and prot, and when the fw and job comeing wizzards gonna be really pretty op cause the sets. More int caracter in pvp means peoples will use prot and garm set, so str peoples have enoght damage kill each other way faster.

Only CH better.