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Question to discuss:
First one to disconnect is a pedophile.
Stranger 2: haha
Stranger 1: MEMEMEEEE PICK ME
Stranger 2: lol
Stranger 2: hey, what do you think happens after death?
Stranger 1: absolutely nothing.
Stranger 2: is there heaven and hell?
Stranger 1: nup
Stranger 2: are you sure?
Stranger 1: pssh no
Stranger 1: lol
Stranger 2: lol
Stranger 2: so if there is heaven, do you think you're good enough to go there?
Stranger 1: probably not
Stranger 2: have you ever told a lie?
Stranger 1: hasn't everyone?
Stranger 2: yep
Stranger 2: so everyone is a liar
Stranger 2: have you ever stolen something?
Stranger 1: hasn't everyone?
Stranger 2: I have stolen
Stranger 2: so we're in trouble huh?
Stranger 1: looks like it.
Stranger 2: Bible says all liars, thieves, murderers will end up in Hell
Stranger 2: but there is good news
Stranger 2: God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins
Stranger 1: don't even.
Stranger 2: and if we turn from our sins and trust in Jesus we will be saved
Stranger 2:
Stranger 1: no thanks.
Stranger 2: why not?
Stranger 1: 'cause that's a bunch of bullshit
Stranger 2: don't you love your life?
Stranger 1: i'm happy with being agnostic, thank you very much
Stranger 1: and don't accuse me of not loving my life just because i'm not christian.
Stranger 2: but what about afterlife?
Stranger 1: as far as i know, it doesn't exist.
Stranger 2: i don't love my life either
Stranger 1: lololololo
Stranger 2: but you could be wrong , eh?
Stranger 1: so could you.
Stranger 2: so why risk?
Stranger 2: I don't want to take that risk
Stranger 2: I will bet on the side of safety
Stranger 1: you're taking a risk by being christian as well
Stranger 2: like what?
Stranger 1: what if there's a god that hates every christian with a passion?
Stranger 1: and just decides to burn them all in a hell of his own?
Stranger 1: anything's possible.
Stranger 1: at all.
Stranger 1: so don't assume you're the only option.
Stranger 2: Well.... then I'm screwed
Stranger 1: yes exactly.
Stranger 2: but The Bible makes it very clear that it's not the case
Stranger 1: and who says the bible is right?
Stranger 2: Bible loves all of us and wants us to repent and trust in Jesus
Stranger 2: God*
Stranger 2: not Bible lol
Stranger 1: who wrote the bible?
Stranger 2: God
Stranger 1: nup.
Stranger 1: it's a collection of stories
Stranger 2: through men
Stranger 1: collected by a philosopher
Stranger 2: God used men to write the Bible
Stranger 1: called ireneus.
Stranger 2: huh?
Stranger 2: where are you getting your information from?
Stranger 1: learn your bible history, man
Stranger 2: i have
Stranger 1: lol, college
Stranger 1: derp
Stranger 2: what kind of college?
Stranger 1: freaking stanford university
Stranger 2: oh i see
Stranger 2: well, the Bible has been written over more than a thousand years
Stranger 2: by many different authors
Stranger 2: on 3 different continents
Stranger 1: yeah, well that doesn't make it right
Stranger 2: yet it had only one author - God
Stranger 1: that's called circular logic
Stranger 1: the bible says the bible is right.
Stranger 1: i could write on a piece of paper
Stranger 1: that everything this paper says
Stranger 1: is true.
Stranger 2: good point
Stranger 2: Bible has a very unique fingerprint called prophecy
Stranger 2: telling the future with 100% accuracy all the time
Stranger 2: only God can do that
Stranger 1: give me an example.
Stranger 2: ok one sec
Stranger 2: Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Stranger 2: Now tell me - who is this talking about?
Stranger 1: i have no freaking idea
Stranger 1: lol.
Stranger 2: try reading it first
Stranger 1: i did read it
Stranger 2: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities
Stranger 1: jesus?
Stranger 2: and with his stripes we are healed.
Stranger 1: i don't even
Stranger 2: exactly
Stranger 1: and when was this written?
Stranger 2: yet it was written thousand years before Jesus ever walked the earth
Stranger 1: what proof do you have that it was written before jesus was born?
Stranger 2: the Bible also prophecies the place where Jesus would be born
Stranger 1: also, it's incredibly vague
Stranger 2: the Dead Sea scrolls have been dated way back before Jesus
Stranger 1: here's a suggestion:
Stranger 2: It also prophecies about the life of Jesus how he would heal the sick and preach the Gospel
Stranger 2: the place of his birth
Stranger 2: his death
Stranger 2: and that's just one prophecy of many
Stranger 1: if jesus really wasn't the son of god, or the prophet, what if he just knew what he was predicted to do, and found that he fit the qualifications? and then pretended to heal and all, and died in the right place?
Stranger 1: i'm sure he knew what the prophet was supposed to do.
Stranger 1: it's still not legitimate proof.
Stranger 2: I believe it is a very good proof
Stranger 1: there's no legitimate proof that he actually even did these things
Stranger 2: Jesus also prophecied of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD
Stranger 1: just stories
Stranger 1: did he say when it'd happen?
Stranger 2: not when but that it would
Stranger 2: and it DID
Stranger 1: well duh. anyone can predict that
Stranger 1: i can predict that eventually the united states will be a barren wasteland
Stranger 1: does that make me a prophet?
Stranger 2: well, he made a bit more precise prediction that yours
Stranger 1: that a city will fall?
Stranger 2: no
Stranger 2: about the temple of the jews and it's destruction
Stranger 2: very detailed
Stranger 2: in Matthew 24
Stranger 1: yeah, sure.
Stranger 1: i really don't believe a word of that
Stranger 2: so why dont' you believe it?
Stranger 1: quote.
Stranger 2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Stranger 1: because that's outrageously vague.
Stranger 2: it's very precise
Stranger 2: maybe there's another reason you don't believe it....
Stranger 1: oh really? what, am i the antichrist?
Stranger 2: because you love your sin and you don't want to give it up?
Stranger 1: stop attacking me and attack the argument.
Stranger 1: you're missing the point of the debate.
Stranger 2: alright
Stranger 2: so you're an athiest?
Stranger 1: agnostic.
Stranger 2: so tell me where did we come from?
Stranger 1: agnostic means, literally, that i don't know.
Stranger 1: and i believe anything's possible.
Stranger 2: let me help you with that
Stranger 1: but i'm not going to go along with something like christianity
Stranger 1: with a malevolent god
Stranger 1: who kills more people in the bible than the devil does.
Stranger 1: who would incite a holy war
Stranger 1: with muslims
Stranger 1: over a small piece of land.
Stranger 2: that's not in the bible
Stranger 1: the holy war isn't
Stranger 1: but it happened.
Stranger 2: so?
Stranger 1: the crusades?
Stranger 2: why do you blame christians for that??
Stranger 1: um, because they started the wars?
Stranger 1: every single one?
Stranger 2: it was done in the "name of christianity"
Stranger 2: that doesn't make it christian at all
Stranger 1: the fact that the church backed it at the time does.
Stranger 1: they funded it. and provided supplies and all for it.
Stranger 2: so?
Stranger 1: so it's freaking incited by christians.
Stranger 2: why do you look at what other people do even if they are christians?
Stranger 1: because i look at it and think to myself
Stranger 1: that i don't want to become that.
Stranger 2: neither do I
Stranger 1: even if i don't have to be an extreme. a god who would allow something like that to happen
Stranger 1: is not benevolent.
Stranger 2: Crusades were wrong
Stranger 2: we're not supposed to kill other people, we're supposed to love them
Stranger 1: at least you can admit that.
Stranger 1: i appreciate that.
Stranger 2: thank you
Stranger 2: now back to basics
Stranger 2: have you seen a building?
Stranger 1: yes?
Stranger 2: how do you know that there was a builder?
Stranger 1: because it's not possible for it to be there without one. however, the entire universe IS possible without a specific builder. and even if there was a builder, that doesn't mean it's the builder you think it is.
Stranger 2: so you look at creation and wonder if there was a Creator?
Stranger 1: sure.
Stranger 2: buildings have builders
Stranger 2: paintings have painters
Stranger 1: that doesn't mean the universe has a creator.
Stranger 2: creation is a living proof that there IS a Creator
Stranger 2: it's logical
Stranger 1: no.
Stranger 1: you can't relate that to everything else.
Stranger 1: we already know as humans
Stranger 1: what a painter IS.
Stranger 2: I can relate it to everything except Creation?
Stranger 1: and that only painters can paint.
Stranger 1: right?
Stranger 2: and only God can create
Stranger 1: you don't know that.
Stranger 2: yes I do
Stranger 1: you know that things can be created.
Stranger 1: what's your proof that only god can create?
Stranger 2: close your eyes and try to created a new basic color
Stranger 2: can you do it?
Stranger 1: see that doesn't work. we're not the only things in the universe. if we can't create, other things can cause creation.
Stranger 1: thats why other theories are plausible.
Stranger 2: you can't do it because you're not the creator
Stranger 1: but that doesn't mean there is one creator. and that doesn't mean it's your creator.
Stranger 1: there are other things that can create.
Stranger 2: like?
Stranger 1: you don't know how it all started.
Stranger 2: do you?
Stranger 1: no, no i don't.
Stranger 1: but that doesn't mean you do either.
Stranger 2: it had to come from somewhere right?
Stranger 1: not necessarily.
Stranger 2: so it could have come from nothing?
Stranger 1: that's why the big bang theory is plausible in my mind.
Stranger 1: nobody knows.
Stranger 1: the universe is ridiculous. and it has ridiculous things going on at all times.
Stranger 2: the Big bang theory is ridiculous... "in the beginning there was ... nothing, and then... there was everything" LOL
Stranger 1: and we don't know.
Stranger 1: well then where did your creator come from?
Stranger 2: he's uncaused
Stranger 1: so he just came from nothing?
Stranger 2: you're asking what caused the uncaused?
Stranger 2: he has always existed
Stranger 1: but there's always a beginning.
Stranger 1: there's a beginning of everything.
Stranger 2: is there?
Stranger 1: maybe the universe has always existed as well.
Stranger 1: is that not plausible?
Stranger 2: so you just backslid
Stranger 2: that's not what the Big Bang says
Stranger 1: once again, i'm agnostic. i don't know anything. i just think the big bang theory is plausible. that doesn't mean it's true. i was answering your "is there?" question.
Stranger 2: None of us where there at the beginning right?
Stranger 2: were*
Stranger 1: you don't know that either.
Stranger 1: something must've been there.
Stranger 1: but maybe not.
Stranger 2: I'm talking abut us
Stranger 1: humans? no.
Stranger 1: but there are other theories as to how we came about.
Stranger 2: so if we were not there to witness it, we must go ask someone that was there
Stranger 1: but do we know that anyone was there?
Stranger 2: I know someone who was
Stranger 2: God was there, he created it all
Stranger 1: and how do you know?
Stranger 1: how do you know he was there to create it all?
Stranger 2: He'd told us that in the Bible
Stranger 1: you're using circular logic again.
Stranger 2: IF God did created it all, why couldn't he write about it in a book??
Stranger 1: "god says he was there. he told us in the bible. that he wrote"
Stranger 2: create*
Stranger 2: why couldn't he have done that?
Stranger 1: i could write a book and tell you that i was there.
Stranger 1: and say that my book is proof.
Stranger 1: because i wrote it.
Stranger 2: It wouldn't hold any water
Stranger 1: exactly
Stranger 1: that's my point
Stranger 1: god said he was there.
Stranger 1: that doesn't make it true.
Stranger 2: Bible isn't just like any other book
Stranger 1: how do you know that?
Stranger 2: I've read it
Stranger 1: does that prove anything?
Stranger 2: have you?
Stranger 1: not in a long time. but i did a while ago.
Stranger 2: it has prophecies all over the place
Stranger 2: scientific proof
Stranger 1: vague prophecies.
Stranger 1: that anyone could make up.
Stranger 2: archaeological proof
Stranger 2: consistency
Stranger 1: archaeological proof?
Stranger 1: there's archaeological proof of evolution.
Stranger 1: scientific proof of evolution.
Stranger 2: evolution? oh please
Stranger 2: you believe that fairy tale?
Stranger 2: I don't have THAT much faith
Stranger 1: fairy tale? do you honestly think that what you're saying, about a magical man in the sky who created everything, isn't a fairy tale? but that animals change slowly over time based on mutations and adaptation is?
Stranger 2: that's correct
Stranger 1: you're ridiculous
Stranger 1: what exactly is wrong with evolution?
Stranger 2: what isn't?
Stranger 2: there's just no proof
Stranger 1: don't avoid the question.
Stranger 1: there is proof/
Stranger 1: we have archaeological evidence. of older humans. and of a common ancestor. that has similar traits to both humans and apes.
Stranger 2: can you show me one transitional form at all?
Stranger 2: no
Stranger 2: why? because there ain't any
Stranger 1: don't answer my questions for me.
Stranger 1: common ancestor.
Stranger 2: evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups
Stranger 2: common ancestor - of course
Stranger 1: eventually evolves to two slightly different species. which eventually change and evolve into tons of species. it's pretty simple.
Stranger 1: are you exactly like your parents?
Stranger 2: evidence or I won't believe it
Stranger 2: yes, i'm human just like them
Stranger 1: but are you EXACTLY like them?
Stranger 1: no.
Stranger 1: you're not.
Stranger 2: ok, let me break it down for ya
Stranger 2: 1) there's micro evolution (deals with changed in species like big dogs, chihuahuas etc)
Stranger 2: 2) macro evolution (duck becoming a crocodile )
Stranger 1: alright no.
Stranger 1: you're completely missing the point.
Stranger 1: evolution is not saying that any animal that exists now
Stranger 1: just turns into something else.
Stranger 1: it's saying that a looooooong time ago, those two animals
Stranger 1: had something in common.
Stranger 1: and they changed over time.
Stranger 1: to become what they are now.
Stranger 2: so why aren't they changing any more?
Stranger 1: they are.
Stranger 2: no they're not
Stranger 1: it's a slow process. that's why it happened a loooong time ago
Stranger 1: uh, yes they are.
Stranger 1: and we have proof that they have been.
Stranger 2: humans have always been humans
Stranger 1: oh really? then why have we found bones of humans that look kind of like apes? or bones of humans that are in the middle of the aforementioned bones and humans today
Stranger 1: where did they come from?
Stranger 1: did your god just create them and then make them extinct?
Stranger 2: that's no proof
Stranger 1: were they failed attempts?
Stranger 1: answer my questions.
Stranger 1: that is valid proof.
Stranger 2: you have no proof that they were humans to begin with
Stranger 1: they weren't humans to begin with
Stranger 1: stupid.
Stranger 1: you're missign the point.
Stranger 2: you found a few bones that look like humans and that's your proof?
Stranger 1: okay, you clearly don't have a complete understanding of what evolution actually is
Stranger 1: so i suggest you actually look it up, and try to read about it.
Stranger 1: unbiased.
Stranger 1: because it's a necessary thing to learn about.
Stranger 2: so what were humans before they were humans?
Stranger 2: monkeys?
Stranger 1: no.
Stranger 2: fish?
Stranger 1: once again, you're missing the point.
Stranger 1: nothing that we have today
Stranger 2: alright, enlighten me then
Stranger 1: we don't have what we were.
Stranger 1: they died off.
Stranger 1: because the humans we have now
Stranger 1: were more efficient, better, and more intelligent.
Stranger 1: it's like
Stranger 2: so where did they come from?
Stranger 1: this is an oversimplified version of this
Stranger 1: we don't freaking know. we're trying to find out.
Stranger 1: it's a bit more complicated than that.
Stranger 1: alright let me give you a simple example
Stranger 1: okay, imagine that your parents
Stranger 1: had eight kids.
Stranger 1: and of those eight kids, four of you had brown hair. and four of you had blonde hair.
Stranger 1: now imagine that all of you with blonde hair were more easily spotted by predators.
Stranger 1: so you guys were killed.
Stranger 1: but the ones with brown hair
Stranger 1: could hide
Stranger 1: and survived to have kids.
Stranger 1: now imagine that those kids
Stranger 1: that of those kids*
Stranger 1: there are two with black hair
Stranger 1: and one with brown hair.
Stranger 1: now the two with black hair moved somewhere else
Stranger 1: and the one with brown hair stayed and survived.
Stranger 1: and the ones with black hair
Stranger 1: moved somewhere
Stranger 1: where only people with blonde hair lived. and imagine there were predators there that only went after people with black hair.
Stranger 1: then the ones with black hair wouldn't survive to have kids.
Stranger 1: that's evolution, except over a really stretched out period of time
Stranger 1: and wayyy more generations.
Stranger 1: does it make any more sense?
Stranger 2: i'm sorry, it's kind of late here and my brain is not working properly anymore..... need to get some sleep...
Stranger 1: don't forget to look up evolution and see what happens.
Stranger 1 has disconnected
Question to discuss:
First one to disconnect is a pedophile.
Stranger 2: haha
Stranger 1: MEMEMEEEE PICK ME
Stranger 2: lol
Stranger 2: hey, what do you think happens after death?
Stranger 1: absolutely nothing.
Stranger 2: is there heaven and hell?
Stranger 1: nup
Stranger 2: are you sure?
Stranger 1: pssh no
Stranger 1: lol
Stranger 2: lol
Stranger 2: so if there is heaven, do you think you're good enough to go there?
Stranger 1: probably not
Stranger 2: have you ever told a lie?
Stranger 1: hasn't everyone?
Stranger 2: yep
Stranger 2: so everyone is a liar
Stranger 2: have you ever stolen something?
Stranger 1: hasn't everyone?
Stranger 2: I have stolen
Stranger 2: so we're in trouble huh?
Stranger 1: looks like it.
Stranger 2: Bible says all liars, thieves, murderers will end up in Hell
Stranger 2: but there is good news
Stranger 2: God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins
Stranger 1: don't even.
Stranger 2: and if we turn from our sins and trust in Jesus we will be saved
Stranger 2:
Stranger 1: no thanks.
Stranger 2: why not?
Stranger 1: 'cause that's a bunch of bullshit
Stranger 2: don't you love your life?
Stranger 1: i'm happy with being agnostic, thank you very much
Stranger 1: and don't accuse me of not loving my life just because i'm not christian.
Stranger 2: but what about afterlife?
Stranger 1: as far as i know, it doesn't exist.
Stranger 2: i don't love my life either
Stranger 1: lololololo
Stranger 2: but you could be wrong , eh?
Stranger 1: so could you.
Stranger 2: so why risk?
Stranger 2: I don't want to take that risk
Stranger 2: I will bet on the side of safety
Stranger 1: you're taking a risk by being christian as well
Stranger 2: like what?
Stranger 1: what if there's a god that hates every christian with a passion?
Stranger 1: and just decides to burn them all in a hell of his own?
Stranger 1: anything's possible.
Stranger 1: at all.
Stranger 1: so don't assume you're the only option.
Stranger 2: Well.... then I'm screwed
Stranger 1: yes exactly.
Stranger 2: but The Bible makes it very clear that it's not the case
Stranger 1: and who says the bible is right?
Stranger 2: Bible loves all of us and wants us to repent and trust in Jesus
Stranger 2: God*
Stranger 2: not Bible lol
Stranger 1: who wrote the bible?
Stranger 2: God
Stranger 1: nup.
Stranger 1: it's a collection of stories
Stranger 2: through men
Stranger 1: collected by a philosopher
Stranger 2: God used men to write the Bible
Stranger 1: called ireneus.
Stranger 2: huh?
Stranger 2: where are you getting your information from?
Stranger 1: learn your bible history, man
Stranger 2: i have
Stranger 1: lol, college
Stranger 1: derp
Stranger 2: what kind of college?
Stranger 1: freaking stanford university
Stranger 2: oh i see
Stranger 2: well, the Bible has been written over more than a thousand years
Stranger 2: by many different authors
Stranger 2: on 3 different continents
Stranger 1: yeah, well that doesn't make it right
Stranger 2: yet it had only one author - God
Stranger 1: that's called circular logic
Stranger 1: the bible says the bible is right.
Stranger 1: i could write on a piece of paper
Stranger 1: that everything this paper says
Stranger 1: is true.
Stranger 2: good point
Stranger 2: Bible has a very unique fingerprint called prophecy
Stranger 2: telling the future with 100% accuracy all the time
Stranger 2: only God can do that
Stranger 1: give me an example.
Stranger 2: ok one sec
Stranger 2: Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Stranger 2: Now tell me - who is this talking about?
Stranger 1: i have no freaking idea
Stranger 1: lol.
Stranger 2: try reading it first
Stranger 1: i did read it
Stranger 2: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities
Stranger 1: jesus?
Stranger 2: and with his stripes we are healed.
Stranger 1: i don't even
Stranger 2: exactly
Stranger 1: and when was this written?
Stranger 2: yet it was written thousand years before Jesus ever walked the earth
Stranger 1: what proof do you have that it was written before jesus was born?
Stranger 2: the Bible also prophecies the place where Jesus would be born
Stranger 1: also, it's incredibly vague
Stranger 2: the Dead Sea scrolls have been dated way back before Jesus
Stranger 1: here's a suggestion:
Stranger 2: It also prophecies about the life of Jesus how he would heal the sick and preach the Gospel
Stranger 2: the place of his birth
Stranger 2: his death
Stranger 2: and that's just one prophecy of many
Stranger 1: if jesus really wasn't the son of god, or the prophet, what if he just knew what he was predicted to do, and found that he fit the qualifications? and then pretended to heal and all, and died in the right place?
Stranger 1: i'm sure he knew what the prophet was supposed to do.
Stranger 1: it's still not legitimate proof.
Stranger 2: I believe it is a very good proof
Stranger 1: there's no legitimate proof that he actually even did these things
Stranger 2: Jesus also prophecied of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD
Stranger 1: just stories
Stranger 1: did he say when it'd happen?
Stranger 2: not when but that it would
Stranger 2: and it DID
Stranger 1: well duh. anyone can predict that
Stranger 1: i can predict that eventually the united states will be a barren wasteland
Stranger 1: does that make me a prophet?
Stranger 2: well, he made a bit more precise prediction that yours
Stranger 1: that a city will fall?
Stranger 2: no
Stranger 2: about the temple of the jews and it's destruction
Stranger 2: very detailed
Stranger 2: in Matthew 24
Stranger 1: yeah, sure.
Stranger 1: i really don't believe a word of that
Stranger 2: so why dont' you believe it?
Stranger 1: quote.
Stranger 2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Stranger 1: because that's outrageously vague.
Stranger 2: it's very precise
Stranger 2: maybe there's another reason you don't believe it....
Stranger 1: oh really? what, am i the antichrist?
Stranger 2: because you love your sin and you don't want to give it up?
Stranger 1: stop attacking me and attack the argument.
Stranger 1: you're missing the point of the debate.
Stranger 2: alright
Stranger 2: so you're an athiest?
Stranger 1: agnostic.
Stranger 2: so tell me where did we come from?
Stranger 1: agnostic means, literally, that i don't know.
Stranger 1: and i believe anything's possible.
Stranger 2: let me help you with that
Stranger 1: but i'm not going to go along with something like christianity
Stranger 1: with a malevolent god
Stranger 1: who kills more people in the bible than the devil does.
Stranger 1: who would incite a holy war
Stranger 1: with muslims
Stranger 1: over a small piece of land.
Stranger 2: that's not in the bible
Stranger 1: the holy war isn't
Stranger 1: but it happened.
Stranger 2: so?
Stranger 1: the crusades?
Stranger 2: why do you blame christians for that??
Stranger 1: um, because they started the wars?
Stranger 1: every single one?
Stranger 2: it was done in the "name of christianity"
Stranger 2: that doesn't make it christian at all
Stranger 1: the fact that the church backed it at the time does.
Stranger 1: they funded it. and provided supplies and all for it.
Stranger 2: so?
Stranger 1: so it's freaking incited by christians.
Stranger 2: why do you look at what other people do even if they are christians?
Stranger 1: because i look at it and think to myself
Stranger 1: that i don't want to become that.
Stranger 2: neither do I
Stranger 1: even if i don't have to be an extreme. a god who would allow something like that to happen
Stranger 1: is not benevolent.
Stranger 2: Crusades were wrong
Stranger 2: we're not supposed to kill other people, we're supposed to love them
Stranger 1: at least you can admit that.
Stranger 1: i appreciate that.
Stranger 2: thank you
Stranger 2: now back to basics
Stranger 2: have you seen a building?
Stranger 1: yes?
Stranger 2: how do you know that there was a builder?
Stranger 1: because it's not possible for it to be there without one. however, the entire universe IS possible without a specific builder. and even if there was a builder, that doesn't mean it's the builder you think it is.
Stranger 2: so you look at creation and wonder if there was a Creator?
Stranger 1: sure.
Stranger 2: buildings have builders
Stranger 2: paintings have painters
Stranger 1: that doesn't mean the universe has a creator.
Stranger 2: creation is a living proof that there IS a Creator
Stranger 2: it's logical
Stranger 1: no.
Stranger 1: you can't relate that to everything else.
Stranger 1: we already know as humans
Stranger 1: what a painter IS.
Stranger 2: I can relate it to everything except Creation?
Stranger 1: and that only painters can paint.
Stranger 1: right?
Stranger 2: and only God can create
Stranger 1: you don't know that.
Stranger 2: yes I do
Stranger 1: you know that things can be created.
Stranger 1: what's your proof that only god can create?
Stranger 2: close your eyes and try to created a new basic color
Stranger 2: can you do it?
Stranger 1: see that doesn't work. we're not the only things in the universe. if we can't create, other things can cause creation.
Stranger 1: thats why other theories are plausible.
Stranger 2: you can't do it because you're not the creator
Stranger 1: but that doesn't mean there is one creator. and that doesn't mean it's your creator.
Stranger 1: there are other things that can create.
Stranger 2: like?
Stranger 1: you don't know how it all started.
Stranger 2: do you?
Stranger 1: no, no i don't.
Stranger 1: but that doesn't mean you do either.
Stranger 2: it had to come from somewhere right?
Stranger 1: not necessarily.
Stranger 2: so it could have come from nothing?
Stranger 1: that's why the big bang theory is plausible in my mind.
Stranger 1: nobody knows.
Stranger 1: the universe is ridiculous. and it has ridiculous things going on at all times.
Stranger 2: the Big bang theory is ridiculous... "in the beginning there was ... nothing, and then... there was everything" LOL
Stranger 1: and we don't know.
Stranger 1: well then where did your creator come from?
Stranger 2: he's uncaused
Stranger 1: so he just came from nothing?
Stranger 2: you're asking what caused the uncaused?
Stranger 2: he has always existed
Stranger 1: but there's always a beginning.
Stranger 1: there's a beginning of everything.
Stranger 2: is there?
Stranger 1: maybe the universe has always existed as well.
Stranger 1: is that not plausible?
Stranger 2: so you just backslid
Stranger 2: that's not what the Big Bang says
Stranger 1: once again, i'm agnostic. i don't know anything. i just think the big bang theory is plausible. that doesn't mean it's true. i was answering your "is there?" question.
Stranger 2: None of us where there at the beginning right?
Stranger 2: were*
Stranger 1: you don't know that either.
Stranger 1: something must've been there.
Stranger 1: but maybe not.
Stranger 2: I'm talking abut us
Stranger 1: humans? no.
Stranger 1: but there are other theories as to how we came about.
Stranger 2: so if we were not there to witness it, we must go ask someone that was there
Stranger 1: but do we know that anyone was there?
Stranger 2: I know someone who was
Stranger 2: God was there, he created it all
Stranger 1: and how do you know?
Stranger 1: how do you know he was there to create it all?
Stranger 2: He'd told us that in the Bible
Stranger 1: you're using circular logic again.
Stranger 2: IF God did created it all, why couldn't he write about it in a book??
Stranger 1: "god says he was there. he told us in the bible. that he wrote"
Stranger 2: create*
Stranger 2: why couldn't he have done that?
Stranger 1: i could write a book and tell you that i was there.
Stranger 1: and say that my book is proof.
Stranger 1: because i wrote it.
Stranger 2: It wouldn't hold any water
Stranger 1: exactly
Stranger 1: that's my point
Stranger 1: god said he was there.
Stranger 1: that doesn't make it true.
Stranger 2: Bible isn't just like any other book
Stranger 1: how do you know that?
Stranger 2: I've read it
Stranger 1: does that prove anything?
Stranger 2: have you?
Stranger 1: not in a long time. but i did a while ago.
Stranger 2: it has prophecies all over the place
Stranger 2: scientific proof
Stranger 1: vague prophecies.
Stranger 1: that anyone could make up.
Stranger 2: archaeological proof
Stranger 2: consistency
Stranger 1: archaeological proof?
Stranger 1: there's archaeological proof of evolution.
Stranger 1: scientific proof of evolution.
Stranger 2: evolution? oh please
Stranger 2: you believe that fairy tale?
Stranger 2: I don't have THAT much faith
Stranger 1: fairy tale? do you honestly think that what you're saying, about a magical man in the sky who created everything, isn't a fairy tale? but that animals change slowly over time based on mutations and adaptation is?
Stranger 2: that's correct
Stranger 1: you're ridiculous
Stranger 1: what exactly is wrong with evolution?
Stranger 2: what isn't?
Stranger 2: there's just no proof
Stranger 1: don't avoid the question.
Stranger 1: there is proof/
Stranger 1: we have archaeological evidence. of older humans. and of a common ancestor. that has similar traits to both humans and apes.
Stranger 2: can you show me one transitional form at all?
Stranger 2: no
Stranger 2: why? because there ain't any
Stranger 1: don't answer my questions for me.
Stranger 1: common ancestor.
Stranger 2: evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups
Stranger 2: common ancestor - of course
Stranger 1: eventually evolves to two slightly different species. which eventually change and evolve into tons of species. it's pretty simple.
Stranger 1: are you exactly like your parents?
Stranger 2: evidence or I won't believe it
Stranger 2: yes, i'm human just like them
Stranger 1: but are you EXACTLY like them?
Stranger 1: no.
Stranger 1: you're not.
Stranger 2: ok, let me break it down for ya
Stranger 2: 1) there's micro evolution (deals with changed in species like big dogs, chihuahuas etc)
Stranger 2: 2) macro evolution (duck becoming a crocodile )
Stranger 1: alright no.
Stranger 1: you're completely missing the point.
Stranger 1: evolution is not saying that any animal that exists now
Stranger 1: just turns into something else.
Stranger 1: it's saying that a looooooong time ago, those two animals
Stranger 1: had something in common.
Stranger 1: and they changed over time.
Stranger 1: to become what they are now.
Stranger 2: so why aren't they changing any more?
Stranger 1: they are.
Stranger 2: no they're not
Stranger 1: it's a slow process. that's why it happened a loooong time ago
Stranger 1: uh, yes they are.
Stranger 1: and we have proof that they have been.
Stranger 2: humans have always been humans
Stranger 1: oh really? then why have we found bones of humans that look kind of like apes? or bones of humans that are in the middle of the aforementioned bones and humans today
Stranger 1: where did they come from?
Stranger 1: did your god just create them and then make them extinct?
Stranger 2: that's no proof
Stranger 1: were they failed attempts?
Stranger 1: answer my questions.
Stranger 1: that is valid proof.
Stranger 2: you have no proof that they were humans to begin with
Stranger 1: they weren't humans to begin with
Stranger 1: stupid.
Stranger 1: you're missign the point.
Stranger 2: you found a few bones that look like humans and that's your proof?
Stranger 1: okay, you clearly don't have a complete understanding of what evolution actually is
Stranger 1: so i suggest you actually look it up, and try to read about it.
Stranger 1: unbiased.
Stranger 1: because it's a necessary thing to learn about.
Stranger 2: so what were humans before they were humans?
Stranger 2: monkeys?
Stranger 1: no.
Stranger 2: fish?
Stranger 1: once again, you're missing the point.
Stranger 1: nothing that we have today
Stranger 2: alright, enlighten me then
Stranger 1: we don't have what we were.
Stranger 1: they died off.
Stranger 1: because the humans we have now
Stranger 1: were more efficient, better, and more intelligent.
Stranger 1: it's like
Stranger 2: so where did they come from?
Stranger 1: this is an oversimplified version of this
Stranger 1: we don't freaking know. we're trying to find out.
Stranger 1: it's a bit more complicated than that.
Stranger 1: alright let me give you a simple example
Stranger 1: okay, imagine that your parents
Stranger 1: had eight kids.
Stranger 1: and of those eight kids, four of you had brown hair. and four of you had blonde hair.
Stranger 1: now imagine that all of you with blonde hair were more easily spotted by predators.
Stranger 1: so you guys were killed.
Stranger 1: but the ones with brown hair
Stranger 1: could hide
Stranger 1: and survived to have kids.
Stranger 1: now imagine that those kids
Stranger 1: that of those kids*
Stranger 1: there are two with black hair
Stranger 1: and one with brown hair.
Stranger 1: now the two with black hair moved somewhere else
Stranger 1: and the one with brown hair stayed and survived.
Stranger 1: and the ones with black hair
Stranger 1: moved somewhere
Stranger 1: where only people with blonde hair lived. and imagine there were predators there that only went after people with black hair.
Stranger 1: then the ones with black hair wouldn't survive to have kids.
Stranger 1: that's evolution, except over a really stretched out period of time
Stranger 1: and wayyy more generations.
Stranger 1: does it make any more sense?
Stranger 2: i'm sorry, it's kind of late here and my brain is not working properly anymore..... need to get some sleep...
Stranger 1: don't forget to look up evolution and see what happens.
Stranger 1 has disconnected
An die un/gläubischen; konntet ihr euch überreden lassen, von den jeweiligen Argumenten der Fremden?
